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Posts posted by JLS

  1. Good to know you had a good experience with Teutoburger. 

    I personally put high bids into their sales for usual pieces without worrying about having to pay more than the reserve if no-one else bids; I once put €250 on a rare British token and won it at the €45 reserve which allayed any concerns. Not sure I would do the same with a big ticket item though. 

  2. 19 hours ago, richtips86 said:

    Isn’t the metal value of the 2p coin actually worth about 3.5p?

    Yes, the pre-1990s issues made of bronze, not the contemporary copper-plated steel. 

    On 1/13/2021 at 10:16 PM, Peckris 2 said:

    Yes, keep the name but apply it to something else. The original d was a denarius, a silver coin. Perhaps the 10p could become a 'penny'?

    I'd quite like to knock a zero off all our prices - it would be fun to actually buy things for pennies again. Not sure if it would cause any real inconvenience, other countries have redenominated a couple of times recently (Turkey I think is the worst offender). 

  3. 49 minutes ago, Sword said:

    The plating is actually very thick at 25 microns. Hence, at least it will never wear off from the limited circulation it is likely to get. 


    I'm sure it will on some examples...as the decimal coinage becomes older, unless the size of the coins changes again, these denominations will be worn out. There were a lot of old round pound coins in Poor or Fair circulating ten years ago; and if you look at the contents of your wallet regularly, even the late 1990s Maklouf cupronickel can turn up pretty rough. If we keep these smaller denominations I imagine they will continue to circulate for a long while before anyone thinks to remove them from circulation. I've received 19th century base metal coins in change in Switzerland before. 

  4. 1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

    I think they should abolish the almost worthless coppers!

    😮 we've had a penny (of some sort, on and off) since Roman Britain ! 

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  5. 23 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

    The 48th shilling isn't too hard to obtain in decent grade - I think he's looking for about twice what it's worth. I paid £17 for this one:


    Jersey 48th shilling 1877 (3).jpg

    It's a common coin. The problem is Krause I think, they price at $95 in XF, and $285 (!) in MS. 

    Of course, really choice examples are only around the £100 mark: https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1945140; for a circulated one £20-30 sounds plenty. 

    Sure, only 38,400 pieces survived from the mintage...but that's actually quite a large number for a Channel Islands coin !

  6. Hello and hope you've had a Happy Xmas ! 

    I recently found this thing in a bulk lot of coins off eBay. It looks like a modern fantasy to me, but it's curious. Struck, nearly 15 grams on a 28 mm flan, obverse looks like a die transfer from a 20 cash, the reverse is a triskeles motif as per the coinage of the Isle of Man. Whoever made it has done a very decent job of making it look circulated. I can't find it listed anywhere. Has anyone seen one of these before ?  

    I'm aware of the rare Soho mule Isle of Man/EIC pieces but this is about as far from a Boulton issue as you can get in terms of quality !

    EIC Manx rev.JPG

    EIC Manx obv.JPG

  7. 12 hours ago, copper123 said:

    In my opinion its only a good one if VF and above but i have still not come across a nice enough one to call it a keeper - strange thing is there is no example in the colin cooke collection so it might be rarer than I think - depends on what someone will pay for one I surpose.


    I've had several die varieties in this series which Colin Cooke didn't have examples of; I don't think he was greatly interested in the series. There's a prejudice going back all the way to Bramah that these die variations are so numerous that they are not of interest to collectors; of course, if you applied the same thinking to the bun pennies, there would be no Freeman, Gouby etc. The reality is that this series is notoriously underexplored; you can get £50 or £100 for the more interesting die varieties in nice crisp grade, but not many people appear to be after them in circulated condition right now. 

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  8. On 11/22/2020 at 8:37 AM, alfnail said:

    I have a few 0.925 silver commemorative pieces, one or two of which have good detail but marks like the one on this picture. Has anyone any experience as to whether it is worth trying to

    improve such pieces please? i.e. removing marks, without degrading the detail.


    Use silver dip, just wash the coin immediately afterwards in cold water; you need to dip for less than a second to achieve desirable results; if you leave the coin in the dip for any appreciable amount of time it becomes very obvious that it has been dipped with the flat surfaces Paddy mentions. 

    Do it outside and wear gloves though because the chemicals (thiourea) are carcinogenic. 

  9. 15 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

    Although the price is a bit of a giveaway. If it were truly an 1863 die no 3 under date in that higher grade condition, it would already be a lot higher as more experienced collectors realised what it was. In auction it would almost certainly go for probably > £6k, as it would easily be the best of the very small cohort.   

    Maybe, although I think experienced collectors tend to snipe things on eBay. When there was an 1860 TB/BB mule on eBay last, it went from £250 to £1k in the last 5 seconds if I recall rightly. 

  10. 4 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said:


    Now £255, with eight days still to run.

    People are mental.

    If I didn't often buy things from Lucas, I'd be tempted to put £1k on it or something and then just not pay when I won, on the grounds that it is not as described. But I'm afraid I'd probably end up on his blocked bidder list. 


  11. 47 minutes ago, Martinminerva said:

    I think it has actually been doctored to masquerade as such - and not very well at that!

    I don't think so...I think it's just a surface lamination or even a gouge...it's so totally unconvincing it's hard to imagine anyone considering a successful "doctoring" ! The "3" is not even in the right place. 

    But the price is shocking; let's hope it's the vendor bidding against himself (he can do that without scrutiny because it's a private listing sadly). 

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  12. 48 minutes ago, secret santa said:

    Lukasz certainly has got green fingers when it comes to finding rarities.

    He's not that bad actually, he sold a real die letter halfpenny a while back, went for a very reasonable £50 (although only Poor or so) given that some people were a bit overly cautious. I buy a fair bit from him, but you have to ignore the description and just look at the pictures, which are normally clear enough to understand exactly what's on offer.

    It's nice when he beats you to a bulk lot at auction because you know ~ everything will end up on eBay so you get a second chance to snag anything you particularly liked...

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  13. On 11/4/2020 at 9:59 PM, seuk said:

    There was a shortage from round 1811 and onwards, when we see the second wave of copper tokens. But I think most of the counterfeits are early and close to the date of the official issue. They are typical about 1 gr lighter than the official weight. 

    I would agree with this. The copper tokens of the 1790s must have made it harder to spend the illegitimate copper coinage of the 1780s, which was widely refused as documented by social historians of the day. The quick production of the copper tokens of the early 19th century when the official coinage began to run dry probably prevented a similar imitation series being created. 

    The struck copper forgeries are rare; the casts are much more common but usually are from moulds based on a very worn coin; I generally think these are probably early Victorian in nature, along with the somewhat scarcer forgeries of the pennies of George IV and occasionally Victoria. 

  14. 6 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

    Not that I would ever contemplate selling it, but what sort of value might it have given on the plus side its rarity, but on the down-side its overall state??

    I'm pretty sure any one of the major auctioneers in London would take it with a reserve at the £200 mark or so. What it would actually sell for is quite another matter; penny rarities are desirable but the market is fickle, and people will be turned off by the patina/reverse corrosion. 

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  15. 2 hours ago, Rob said:

    They were producing DEI GRATIA obverses for all the silver in 1695. Probably just a case of someone forgetting the denomination they were engraving. A date of 1695 could mean as late as March, in which case you were only 5 months prior to the start of the recoinage. The decision to do this was made in 1695, so were they making dies in advance of the new mints opening as soon as the law was passed? Again, just forgetting what you were making.

    That would make sense of there being so few of them - pretty much any individual die combination for William and Mary or William III copper is extremely rare, and they put much worse dies into service than this.