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Posts posted by JLS

  1. 1 hour ago, 1949threepence said:

    It'll be interesting to see whether or not the demand for 1974 50p's does spread to other years. It obviously won't take long for collectors to cotton on to the fact that the mintage was the same in 1975, and they too were never issued for currency, merely existing as a proof item.  

    50 pence collecting is very new, but I think it's a fashion which will last, so I would expect some of these other sets to get more attention, and it's great for the hobby - I think past waves of coin collecting have sprung out of people being able to find rarities in their change - think of US collecting in the immediate post-war period (when you could get things like 1932 D quarters in your change), or the British market in the 1960s around decimalization.

    Whether it will make the 1970s sets worth £50 each is another matter. I hope not, but then on the other side the wholesale price being around £5 a set at auction is a little silly, especially given the difficulty of finding some of the sets with red lustrous copper - I went through a whole dealer's stock of them recently and found none I wanted to purchase. Probably the value for all of these will settle somewhere in between. 

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  2. 15 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    I make it 15 where there was a proof issue but no currency strike - 1971, 1972, 1974, 1975, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1995 & 1996.

    Westminster may not be the only ones who hype up the "scarcity". Others will probably get in on the act. 


    The reality is that supply of all of these is somewhat "thin", even if they're not scarce in any meaningful sense.

    There may have been 100,000 issued e.g. for 1974 but some of these will have been split up/damaged/ugly toned, and the vast majority of the others will be owned by collectors and other people who bought them close to the release date. The number immediately accessible to the market is going to be in the low thousands, and that's the sort of supply which can be overwhelmed by sudden demand.

    Unlike the Kew Gardens 50 pence pieces, I don't think this is a case of someone stashing these away with an expectation of profit (yet !); there really are enough customers to exhaust demand at least temporarily. 

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  3. 2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    It is considering KB Coins have got a 1974 proof set on offer for just £15 !!!

    Out of stock already. 

    I'm tempted to buy up some sets for the other years with no currency 50 pences...if a few people go for it, it will be a self-fulfilling prophecy. 

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  4. 26 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

    Do penny people think it's a bad time to sell?  The opposite scenario to gold coins? Never seen so much gold in this catalogue before....

    Not sure if I have enough expertise in the series to be a "penny person" but I've consigned some decent pennies recently - all to BSJ though.

    The ones in the last sale did alright; it may well quickly become a good market to sell in if people don't consign. 

  5. On 8/13/2020 at 7:54 PM, Peckris 2 said:

    fake or repro?


    Well, a repro sold as genuine is as good as a fake to me on eBay. If you're not familiar with the type the style might be convincing, especially from photographs. This is one of the only relatively good copies of a common 18th century token which comes up with frequency; previously published in TCSB among other places. 

    But whether the original intent was to deceive is unclear.

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  6. 3 hours ago, Diaconis said:

    If it was a polished disk then I agree, but the overall dimensions do not take into account any variances in reeding/relief/embossing. The volume of displaced water accounts for this.

    You'd have to have really quite precise equipment to distinguish between minor differences in volume. Callipers may be quicker ! 


  7. 8 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Looks like it could do with an overnight soak in balsamic vinegar.........:ph34r:

    As the owner of this piece...I'm still tempted to do this but the rest of the metal looks OK...

    I think anodized copper wire treatment is the next step; if I can't get all of it off mechanically I'll consider chemical cleaning. Don't think it will ever be problem free though. 

  8. 17 hours ago, Michael-Roo said:

    The same seller does though have two other treasures for my consideration, so all is not lost. https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/daa2323/m.html?item=254606269370&nordt=true&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

    That 1807 is a well known and relatively common contemporary forgery with the casting flaw across the reverse, I think I paid a good £20 for my example...

    Curiously the pound coin also appears to be fake !

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  9. 22 hours ago, alfnail said:

    One of my better purchases on ebay, open auction, 5 bids, got it for £23. Actual ebay picture and one I took of the coin when it arrived.


    1862 Reverse.jpg

    1861 8 over 6 Rev Pred1.jpg

    8/6 ? Nice !

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  10. 1 hour ago, will1976 said:

    A new unlisted unofficial farthing variety which landed today. I believe it relates to the famous gun makers Holland & Holland but I'm yet to research properly. Thoughts and comments welcome 




    As a keen collector of the Birmingham series....WOW ! Diameter ? 

    White's 1849 Directory of Birmingham, p. 182, "Holland, Henry, gun and pistol maker, 21 Steelhouse Lane".

    The Henry Holland of Holland and Holland was, according to Wikipedia, only apprenticed in 1861, so possibly this piece is unrelated. 

  11. 32 minutes ago, rpeddie said:


    i always thought a reducing machine was used for these, but might be too early for this tech?

    As far as I know, yes, no reducing machines anywhere until the 1830s, and none at British mints until the 1850s or 1860s. Definitely not used at Soho in Boulton's day !