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Posts posted by JLS

  1. 12 hours ago, copper123 said:

    In my opinion its only a good one if VF and above but i have still not come across a nice enough one to call it a keeper - strange thing is there is no example in the colin cooke collection so it might be rarer than I think - depends on what someone will pay for one I surpose.


    I've had several die varieties in this series which Colin Cooke didn't have examples of; I don't think he was greatly interested in the series. There's a prejudice going back all the way to Bramah that these die variations are so numerous that they are not of interest to collectors; of course, if you applied the same thinking to the bun pennies, there would be no Freeman, Gouby etc. The reality is that this series is notoriously underexplored; you can get £50 or £100 for the more interesting die varieties in nice crisp grade, but not many people appear to be after them in circulated condition right now. 

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  2. On 11/22/2020 at 8:37 AM, alfnail said:

    I have a few 0.925 silver commemorative pieces, one or two of which have good detail but marks like the one on this picture. Has anyone any experience as to whether it is worth trying to

    improve such pieces please? i.e. removing marks, without degrading the detail.


    Use silver dip, just wash the coin immediately afterwards in cold water; you need to dip for less than a second to achieve desirable results; if you leave the coin in the dip for any appreciable amount of time it becomes very obvious that it has been dipped with the flat surfaces Paddy mentions. 

    Do it outside and wear gloves though because the chemicals (thiourea) are carcinogenic. 

  3. 15 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

    Although the price is a bit of a giveaway. If it were truly an 1863 die no 3 under date in that higher grade condition, it would already be a lot higher as more experienced collectors realised what it was. In auction it would almost certainly go for probably > £6k, as it would easily be the best of the very small cohort.   

    Maybe, although I think experienced collectors tend to snipe things on eBay. When there was an 1860 TB/BB mule on eBay last, it went from £250 to £1k in the last 5 seconds if I recall rightly. 

  4. 4 minutes ago, Michael-Roo said:


    Now £255, with eight days still to run.

    People are mental.

    If I didn't often buy things from Lucas, I'd be tempted to put £1k on it or something and then just not pay when I won, on the grounds that it is not as described. But I'm afraid I'd probably end up on his blocked bidder list. 


  5. 47 minutes ago, Martinminerva said:

    I think it has actually been doctored to masquerade as such - and not very well at that!

    I don't think so...I think it's just a surface lamination or even a gouge...it's so totally unconvincing it's hard to imagine anyone considering a successful "doctoring" ! The "3" is not even in the right place. 

    But the price is shocking; let's hope it's the vendor bidding against himself (he can do that without scrutiny because it's a private listing sadly). 

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  6. 48 minutes ago, secret santa said:

    Lukasz certainly has got green fingers when it comes to finding rarities.

    He's not that bad actually, he sold a real die letter halfpenny a while back, went for a very reasonable £50 (although only Poor or so) given that some people were a bit overly cautious. I buy a fair bit from him, but you have to ignore the description and just look at the pictures, which are normally clear enough to understand exactly what's on offer.

    It's nice when he beats you to a bulk lot at auction because you know ~ everything will end up on eBay so you get a second chance to snag anything you particularly liked...

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  7. On 11/4/2020 at 9:59 PM, seuk said:

    There was a shortage from round 1811 and onwards, when we see the second wave of copper tokens. But I think most of the counterfeits are early and close to the date of the official issue. They are typical about 1 gr lighter than the official weight. 

    I would agree with this. The copper tokens of the 1790s must have made it harder to spend the illegitimate copper coinage of the 1780s, which was widely refused as documented by social historians of the day. The quick production of the copper tokens of the early 19th century when the official coinage began to run dry probably prevented a similar imitation series being created. 

    The struck copper forgeries are rare; the casts are much more common but usually are from moulds based on a very worn coin; I generally think these are probably early Victorian in nature, along with the somewhat scarcer forgeries of the pennies of George IV and occasionally Victoria. 

  8. 6 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

    Not that I would ever contemplate selling it, but what sort of value might it have given on the plus side its rarity, but on the down-side its overall state??

    I'm pretty sure any one of the major auctioneers in London would take it with a reserve at the £200 mark or so. What it would actually sell for is quite another matter; penny rarities are desirable but the market is fickle, and people will be turned off by the patina/reverse corrosion. 

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  9. 2 hours ago, Rob said:

    They were producing DEI GRATIA obverses for all the silver in 1695. Probably just a case of someone forgetting the denomination they were engraving. A date of 1695 could mean as late as March, in which case you were only 5 months prior to the start of the recoinage. The decision to do this was made in 1695, so were they making dies in advance of the new mints opening as soon as the law was passed? Again, just forgetting what you were making.

    That would make sense of there being so few of them - pretty much any individual die combination for William and Mary or William III copper is extremely rare, and they put much worse dies into service than this. 

  10. 17 minutes ago, DaveG38 said:

    I wrote an article for Coin News on this type a few years ago. In that, I identified what I thought were the 5 known examples. Yours appears to be the 6th. The date is not in fact 1696, but 1695 - the last digit is an italic 5 not a 6, made difficult to read through corrosion, but is obvious when put alongside a normal 1696 example. If you are interested, I can pm you a copy of the article, which explains in more detail than I can here.

    Please do - would be very interested !

  11. 1 minute ago, DaveG38 said:

    I paid £650 for mine, about 4 years ago. It was worth it, as it is pretty much VF+ grade, but has some corrosion through being in the ground. Overall, its about the same grade as the original 'Cowley' find.

    Nice ! Here are photographs of my specimen. Maybe Poor + ? 

    Yours is actually dated 1696 right ? I haven't seen the Cowley piece. 

    N78 obv.JPG

    N78 rev.JPG

  12. Hello all, 

    Anyone have a copy of the Spink Numismatic Circular, February 2001? 

    I am curious as to what Spink priced the William III GVLIELMVS DEI GRATIA halfpenny at, as I am thinking about selling my own example which is in very similar grade ! 

    As far as I know, the Shuttlewood piece hasn't been on the market since it was sold by Colin Cooke as part of the Nicholson collection: #78 (http://www.colincooke.com/collections/nicholson_part2.html

    Thanks !


  13. On 10/16/2020 at 12:47 AM, SRSNUM said:

    I tried to find other images that matched but the RIC519 was closest I could find.

    Below are Images I found online:

    Wildwinds image-RIC 519




    Roman Coin Database image-





    It's the same type. Most of these issues haven't had good die studies done on them so there will be variations in location of lettering etc. under the same reference number. Just compare the obverses of the two pieces you've linked to; the C of CAESAR is much closer to Nero's bust on the second one. 

    In the end the dies were hand made so every die pairing arguably represents a variety. 

  14. Looks like corrosion from exposure to water or moisture to me. On worn coins there are often good (albeit time consuming) ways to remedy this sort of damage, but on anything uncirculated with original lustre, you would end up with a toned coin at best. 

    Really nice decimal coins ex-circulation (as opposed to out of mint sets) can be quite hard to find. 0

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  15. On 10/4/2020 at 1:54 PM, Paddy said:

    I have picked up bucket loads of coins in the last week and am enjoying sorting through them. 

    This one interested me - obviously Tredegar 1812 penny, but very clearly overstruck on a Union Copper Company Birmingham Penny. Is this unusual? I see lots of 18th/19th century tokens, but have not noticed an overstrike before.


    Tredegar D 1812 OS 1-horz Red.jpg

    This is usual; it is rarer to see examples struck on virgin flans (you can tell by the edge, different graining). I've owned a couple of overstruck ones but not the virgin flan type, although they do come up occasionally. 

    Yours is a nice example; like most 19th century penny tokens these were very heavily circulated and not terribly well made in the first place, so anything VF or better is scarce.