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  1. This is a 19th or 20th century button from Christ's Hospital School - obverse shows king Edward VI - I can read "RD VI" on the top left. Here's one of more recent vintage with the same design: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164038578971
  2. Very nice ! Interesting to see the contemporary context of the Workhouse on the street (vs. how it's portrayed on the workhouse's own 19th century tokens) - assuming the two buildings either side of it are not part of the enlargement...
  3. Just picked up some bun pieces to have a go at learning to attribute varieties on these. I think this 1861 piece is 6 + G (Freeman 277) due to the incuse veins on the leaves + the spacing of the inner circle - confirmation or correction would be most appreciated !
  4. No-one knows what the long term economic impact of COVID19 is likely to be. I agree that the bottom of the coin market is likely to be hit, but I think this is the confirmation of a long term trend. There are fewer collectors of lower quality material, and the internet makes it hard to sell very common coins profitably (or at all !), because there's far more supply than demand. Just compare the Spink prices for common George VI and Elizabeth II predecimal issues to the market reality...it's impossible to sell most of these pieces in unc. for more than a few pounds each in my experience.
  5. The thing about coins which have been "buffed" with a cloth rather than abrasively cleaned is that it's very difficult to tell that it's happened once the coin has toned down enough. And almost all coins above a certain age have had such treatment at some point unless they've come out of the ground more recently. But the florin in question has really quite obvious hairlines in the obverse field - you have to give a coin more than a gentle rub with a cloth to get that effect. It's still an attractive piece but it's not ever going to be as nice as it was before it was cleaned.
  6. My guess would be that there's something else going on with the dies, a bit like the broken bead on the recessed ear pennies. Perhaps there were five subtly different dies which they numbered up accordingly, to allow them and the coins produced to be distinguished at a glance. They made a small number of coins from each (maybe double figures ?), deemed the results unsatisfactory, and for some reason the coins were added to the mint output rather than melted down. If this was the case, I doubt it will ever be confirmed, given the poor state of the surviving examples.
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    Literature for beginners

    Maurice Bull's "English Silver Coinage" is also more detailed on varieties than Spink and provides rarity ratings for everything, of variable accuracy. Also covers the pattern silver coinage for Victoria in reasonable detail, if that's of any interest.
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    Despite being an obvious fake, it looked silver in hand surprisingly so I acid tested it and ended up selling it as scrap with a load of dateless Victorian threepences....hopefully no-one fished it out before it reached the furnace and the neophytes are safe !
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    Last time I bought a fake coin by accident on eBay and the seller was un-cooperative, I just escalated through eBay and I ended up getting a full refund without even returning the fake...
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    Can definitely see Jagger there.
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    On this topic my least favorite seller of fake coins on eBay right now is Pana_nis: sells pretty poor fakes of Anglo-Saxon coinage for enough money to actually buy an original (of a less rare type obviously): https://www.ebay.couk/itm/ALFRED-the-GREAT-871-899-AD-KING-of-WESSEX-ANGLO-SAXON-SILVER-Ar-PENNY-1-25-gr/143513529018?hash=item216a12aaba:g:FbcAAOSw9rVeLZPA His negative feedback is pretty funny for what it's worth, with the obscene ranting in transliterated Serbian ! https://www.ebay.co.uk/fdbk/feedback_profile/pana_nis?filter=feedback_page:RECEIVED_AS_SELLER&_trksid=p2047675.l2560
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    Straight from the United Cingdom too
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    There are far too many examples of sellers like this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/283845360507 - fake; the seller is offering all sorts of other junk lots put together as if "found". Note the description: "No Money Back No Guarantee" and a disclaimer that the coin's not guaranteed to be authentic. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/133384677622 - look at the seller's other lots; classic with the fuzzy photos
  14. For what it's worth, I'm definitely in the younger collector bracket (mid-20s) and while I don't collect pennies by Freeman number in a box-ticking way, I like owning examples of some the scarcer die combinations, latest acquisition was a really choice 1915 recessed ear piece, and I've owned a few decent bun pennies in the past. I do think the sort of prices paid for some of the rare varieties in very low grades are unlikely to hold up in the long term, as in my experience younger collectors tend to be less interested in rarities for the sake of rarity and more interested in purchasing really high quality pieces. Having said that, if the US market got seriously interested in the British bronze set, you'd end up with people trying to complete registry sets (sigh) so I may well be wrong about this.
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    Ebay's Worst Offerings

    https://www.ebay.it/itm/SCOZIA-2-MERKS-1673-CARLO-II-BB-RR/121585969051? Looks good until you view the large photograph - all the obverse detail is engraved on !
  16. The service tomorrow is unsurprisingly cancelled for obvious reasons. But does any member here know whether there will be a distribution of coin ? I assume the coins have already been minted so distribution (by post ?) would seem sensible.
  17. The one on the left is definitely an excellent read - I bought it around ten years ago...the section about the Soho mint's involvement in the Russian coinage is particularly fascinating.
  18. A new acquisition for the unofficial farthing collection...despite the rather fancy style, Seaber is presumed to have been a total failure in business (or to have died shortly after opening up shop) because his establishment didn't last long enough to be recorded in any directory etc. The tokens are therefore pretty rare !
  19. No, it's the circulation strike 1861/1 6 + G I posted originally - go back a page or two in the discussion. EF to AU coin. That said, if you want a 19th century British proof under £200, look for George III farthings, they come up at that price level occasionally.
  20. Yes, I got just under £200 for it which was rather pleasing - I guess roughly full catalog price for a EF+/AU coin; Mark Rasmussen & co. rate the regular 1861 6 + G at £75/£275 in EF/BU in the 2020 price guide. There do seem to be a lot of these 1861/1 dies, which does suggest to me that the variety can't be terribly scarce. But then in nice grade with lustre, not necessarily so easy to find.
  21. If "186" was a matrix, how were the 8/6 dies prepared ? Surely some of the dies must have been prepared with individual numeral punches ? You could explain the 1861 with first 1/1 in the matrix case if whoever was preparing the dies forgot it was in mirror image I suppose, although it seems unlikely; alternatively if the matrix was stamped in angles or was itself ill prepared.
  22. Interesting. Doesn't really surprise me given how early on this was in the coinage, they would have been pressed to avoid scrapping dies unless absolutely necessary, hence the 8/6, 6/8 etc. as well as these more minor overdates. Do you know if these double entered numeral pieces are worth much of a premium over regular 1861 pieces ? I'm not after another 6/G coin so probably will resell.
  23. Photos of the rest of the coin (sold as a 5/D, looks clearly a 6/G to me). Reverse ghosting so obviously not a proof, weight 9.30 g.
  24. Returning to the thread's topic... Are there currency 1861 pennies known with the 1 of the date low and over a higher 1, using the same die as Freeman 36 ? This would appear to be an example:
  25. I hope this is a joke ! Bleach reacts with base metal... Coronavirus isn't going to last on copper or silver coins more than a few hours, maybe a day or two for cupronickel. Given how slow the post is right now, the risk is basically nil.