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  1. What about this example of CGS grading ? https://www.ringramcoins.com/boe-dollar-12727.html Clearly polished in my opinion; also what's with all the fibre still in the holder ???
  2. Yeah, I'm a bit cautious to remove any more verdigris, especially using chemical methods, because I'd rather not have a patch of pitted, unpatinated bronze, where it used to be. Having said that, so far, except in the centre of the verdigris rings, all the metal revealed has retained the patina so it's possible that good results could be achieved with more aggresive techniques...
  3. After cleaning with a sharp toothpick this morning, it's looking a bit better.
  4. This is an interesting suggestion and I'll try it out ! I might see if I've got a corroded common bun penny in my junk box to practice with first, not keen to damage the F21 at all given the number of specimens around.
  5. Feel a bit cautious regarding balsamic vinegar - would it not strip the obverse patina ? I'm used to using olive oil but from my experience it won't totally eliminate the verdigris on a coin like this, without keeping it in so long that it changes the color of the coin.
  6. Nice, thanks for the confirmation ! Now I just have the dilemma of whether to try to remove the gunk from the reverse or not... @secret santa, you're welcome to add these photos to the rare pennies site if F21 makes the cut, so to speak.
  7. I bought this thinking it was a F18 (and probably overpaid in that case), but is this actually a F21 with the bust so close to the outer border ?
  8. I love the die clash of "SS" behind George's head. Can you see the whole reverse design ghosted if you rotate the coin through the light ? There's obviously something going on near the X of REX too.
  9. JLS

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    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Edward-VII-Penny-1902-Low-Tide-Variety/202980311518 A "scarce higher grade example"
  10. There are definitely whole series of 18th century "tokens" which are really just medals sold as tokens, and never saw circulation; e.g. almost all of the Spence pieces, and many of the issues of Kempson, Skidmore and Denton. The contrast with the modern RM issues is really that the mintage of the collectors 18th century tokens were generally pretty small (at most a few thousand, typically only a few hundred or even less), whereas the RM produces millions of commemorative coins every year. My prediction would be that things like the Queen Anne £5, with mintage ~12,000 will retain value, whereas anything with mintage above 100,000 or so just won't have enough collector demand to be worth much in the long run (Kew Gardens included, except perhaps really choice mint pieces !). You see a similar effect in the US commemorative series (admittedly of rather better artistic quality), where the Old Spanish Trail piece of 1935 with a mintage ~10,000 is worth a lot of money, and the Booker T. Washington pieces with mintages of 1,000,000 + have little value except in choice mint state; and that's with a much larger collecting population.
  11. Fair enough. I guess my point is that both modern mint commemorative offerings and struck-for collectors 18th century tokens lack any of the constraints which apply to regular coinage, and we might appreciate the former less than they deserve due to a lack of perspective...things made of metal last a long time. I'm sure the commemorative coin mania will be temporary, but IMO it certainly will provide an interesting field for numismatists of the far future. Just look at all the specious Brexit themed 50 pences (of very dubious aesthetic value) being produced for one thing...
  12. I love this admittedly ludicrous medal, I own far too many of them (7 I think ?)
  13. I guess in the same way that most of the 50 pences the Royal Mint issues are not (in the words of a newspaper columnist of yesteryear) "celebrating the year of the sausage" ?
  14. We can hope such atrocities will be forgotten, but back when I was at university, people were studying Victorian smut rather carefully...
  15. It is deservedly appreciated, but not I think for its artistic qualities...
  16. I wonder whether in the late 18th century this was the reaction to some of the more outlandish token designs which people were shelling out serious money for - I'm thinking about the IMO rather ugly "Wild Man of the Land of Jesso" piece issued by Summers - when they could of course have been collecting Tudor and Stuart coinage, or hammered/ancient pieces, generally at a fraction of the real cost we pay today. What now appears crass and commercial will probably be a charming curio to collectors of the 23rd century...
  17. In practice I've never seen a forgery of one of those either, difficult with the corrosion and the copper plug, no-one sane would buy a unprovenanced "clean" example. I'd guess it would be much easier to make a quality forgery of e.g. an 18th century American cent or English civil war siege pieces, which in practice are issues you have to be careful with.
  18. If you have a look at Peck (English Copper, Tin and Bronze Coins in the British Museum) you will see weight ranges provided. Coins outside these ranges are typically treated as mint errors, and can be worth a premium, especially for William III copper. The only reign you typically get good quality forgeries for is Anne, and most of these are either casts or electrotypes, so either look rough and porous, or have a seam/filing on the edge. I've never seen a good quality forgery of a Charles II or George I bronze; it would be very difficult to emulate the poor quality surfaces, strike and slightly irregular blanks well, and not really worth the effort given the low prices these coins achieve in top grade - there are better targets for the forger.
  19. Yes, you're right, it's part of the "first series" along with the Kettle issues etc. I don't know if it would have actually been struck in 1788 or a few years after, but it definitely is Georgian rather than Victorian.
  20. Not so sure about that as I've seen several "idealized" pictures of the workhouse corresponding just to the buildings on 1812 tokens from far later...by the Victorian period the complex was enormous. I may have a bit more of a research.
  21. Yes, this is a relatively early imitation spade guinea and fairly rare; listed by Neilson as number 2960. I wouldn't rate the value much in that grade as you do get nice ones with original gilding occasionally, but it's not an easy piece to find.
  22. Hello all ! Recently acquired this piece. Wondering if anyone recognizes the countermark ? I suspect it was just a jewelry die test or something but a connection with St. Kitts could be mooted ! The countermark is pretty heavily worn which is unusual for coin jewelry in my experience...
  23. If there is some better material among the 2000 pieces you could see if DNW were interested (perhaps split up by geographical period etc.), the fees will take a bite but they can achieve really good results with even mediocre bulk lots in my experience. George Jones in London normally buys bulk lots of coins of pretty much any quality for reasonable prices, although I doubt he's doing much business given COVID19, I can see if I have his business card somewhere if you want.