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Posts posted by Descartes
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Thanks for your responses and for the info guys. It's really appreciated!
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Please could somebody help me trace the provenance of a coin I have. It's an Edward IV penny, type XXI, London, EDWARD DI GRA REX ANGLI legend with 'cinquefoil' mintmark. I bought it from Timeline Auction 21.02.18, Lot. 1240.
It stated in the description that it was Ex Morton & Eden Ltd sale; formerly in the Archbishop John Sharp (1644-1714) collection. However, I can't seem to find it listed in the M & E sale for their December 2017 auction. Was their another part to this sale? Could anybody advise or have a quick look for me?
Many thanks,
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On 6/4/2019 at 12:12 AM, JLS said:Yeah, I'd ID as 10cf4 then - working with the plate coin in Spink and https://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/edwardian-Pennies/Edwardian Pennies P1.htm
Probably worth getting a second opinion as I'm not much of an expert on these - used to collect Edward I pennies but was going by class/mint rather than sub-classes - most of my examples long sold.
Thanks again for your help!
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13 hours ago, JLS said:I would say this is a 10cf4 - right hand fleur of crown is hooked and the left hand arrow ornament inclines to the right. What's the mint ?
Hi JLS, thanks for the advice and for taking the time to reply. It's London mint. I don't have a good image of the reverse yet, so I can't post a photo.
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Please could somebody help me with the sub-class of this Edward I penny. I know it's secondary phase (so class 10cf) but would like to narrow it down even further (e,g, 10cf1-10cf6). It doesn't look like any of the 5 different crowns shown in the Galata Guide, but it has to be a 10cf as its obverse legend reads EDWA...
Thanks,
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Hello chaps,
Please could I ask one of the experts a question or two about my Edward I pennies I won today on the Spink auction?
First question... where it say in the provenance ii) Elmore-Jones, Glendining, 10 April 1984, lot 1582 - £65 does that mean that the second coin in the description is ex Elmore-Jones collection?
Edward I (1272-1307), Pennies (6), Berwick, local dies issue, 1.35g (S.1415); also, Durham, class 9b1, 1.46g (cf. N.1037.1 {for type}; S.1421); additionally, Newcastle (4), class 9b1 (2) with star, 1.38g; and without, 1.31g (N.1037.1; S.1408); also, 9b1/10ab mule, 1.48g (N.1037/38; S.1408/9); lastly, class 10ab, 1.25g, reading hb (N.1039; S.1409), generally very fine, all toned (6).
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ii) Elmore-Jones, Glendining, 10 April 1984, lot 1582 - £65Secondly, please could I have a more detailed ID on coin number 5. It's listed as a Newcastle 10ab, but I'd like to know which one of the subgroups if possible (i.e. 10ab1-6).
Many thanks,
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Hi Stu,
There are two. His FB page: https://www.facebook.com/pg/Grunal-Moneta-654941368041899/photos/?tab=album&album_id=654945274708175
and website page: http://www.grunalmoneta.co.uk/
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On 3/21/2019 at 10:27 PM, Coinery said:In this example, with the legend, incurved letters, and bifoliate crown (that’s not one of the easily identifiable Ed II crowns), it’s a no-brainer for Class 10.
With Class 10, for me at least, I need to then sit down with a bit of paper and wade my way through the resources to determine and feel happy with the sub-class...it’s a pig to get right otherwise, for me at least.
The rest of the series is easy blinkin’ peasy! 😛
You're just a pro Stu. The class 10s baffle the heck out of me... even with the Galata Guide and Dave's Grunal page I still can't get a handle on them 😕
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9 minutes ago, craigy said:the Rm let slip the snowman & gruffalo 50p's will not be entering circulation, could they become future kew gardens ??? or is kew something that just caught the publics imagination ??? still curious to see the mintage figures for the last couple of years as I suspect there will be a lot of £2's and 50'p and possibly definitive's that have not been issued for circulation,
I know I go on bout the modern stuff coming out but its nice to hear other peoples views and opinions
Hi Craigy.
I also enjoy collecting the 50ps. I'm up to date with all the UK ones and have recently got myself the gruffalo BU (from The Westminster Collection). I collect the Isle of Man and Gibraltar 50ps too. I still have a few gaps in the Christmas issues, but they're great fun to collect, and they seem to be going up in value if Ebay is anything to go by.
I really liked the Snowman 50p - I got it for a Christmas present. It's a shame it's not going into circulation, as I rather liked the design, and thought it was a cool thing to commemorate. I'm not so sure about the gruffalo to be honest, but I had to get it for the sake of completion!
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6 hours ago, Coinery said:Gets my vote for a 10cf m’friend! You’ve got the classic hole in the neck punch to cement it to the last period of Ed1 to the start of Ed2 and it’s not class 11! Would need to dust my book off to give you a number, but the elegance of the crown suggests it’s probably cf3?
@davetmoneyer what’s your thoughts, Dave?
Thank you sir! I had an inkling it was a class 10... but that whole class with its plethora of sub-classes rather frightens an amateur like me!
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31 minutes ago, Coinery said:I’ve only ever had one C1 crown that good, and I didn’t have it for long...they are serious chunks of silver, love them, as I do the C1 half crowns for exactly the same reason. Proper coins!
Hi Stu, I too love the coinage of Charles I, especially the Exeter mint coins. I once had a semi-decent Exeter sixpence but I had to sell it as my collection was becoming too eclectic for my tastes. It was a tough move but the hammered pennies won in the end! Still, if I was a rich man, I'd still love to own a couple of those stunning CRI crowns in the up and coming Davcoin auction!
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2 hours ago, C_B said:@Descartes Hi there, apologies for this I'm not sure why the email hasn't been passed onto us. My colleague Emma will send the image over to you shortly. Any requests in future, please feel free to email courtney@bsjauctions.com or sam@bsjauctions.com
Hi Courtney,
Had a really nice email from Emma today. She sent me some images and I'm really pleased. Will definitely be bidding on this lot!
Thanks for such a speedy response. I really appreciate it.
Descartes
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On 1/17/2019 at 5:36 PM, C_B said:Hi all, Courtney from BSJ auction team here. Myself and Sam take care of the auction registrations and approvals, so are always interested to hear your feedback.
We always advise to sign up for bidding 24 hours before the auction, giving us time to process the request and for you to call us if necessary. Unfortunately, you will need to register and be approved for each of our auctions, this is a security measure for us to monitor who will be bidding in our auction.
On our website, if you click Bid Live this will take you over to our bidding platform. The Auctions button will display any current auctions, and all past auctions. With the app, it won’t work on your PC, app’s are only useable on phones and tablets. You would have to visit our website to bid on a desktop computer.
Any questions or feedback, please do let us know and we can look into it!
Hi Courtney,
I'm a bit disappointed that after several emails for an image of lot 85 on your auction 28 (Argentum), I still haven't even received an acknowledgement. I know the lot is not one of the biggest earners, but I would have expected at least a response! I hope it's due to a back-log or something similar and not because it only has a few hundred pounds as the estimate. I know it's not your fault personally, but I feel at liberty to have a little grumble as the whole BSJ experience is frustrating and seems convoluted in my mind. Cheers, Descartes.
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My purchase today from the DNW auction. A little Henry V, Penny, class Ab, London, annulet to left & pellet to right of crown, annulet before Lon, S 1777. Apparently very rare, but unfortunately plugged.
Does anybody know what the legend read around the obverse. All I can make out is HENRI..GRA...REX...ANG
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On 11/11/2018 at 7:10 PM, Rob said:North, which you can see in Sylloge 39. Elmore-Jones, Doubleday, Sazama (a dozen or so sales through DNW), Stewartby, Delme-Radcliffe, Lockett. It depends how far back you want to go. Many named collections had a Plantagenet section, but only a few were devoted mainly to the period. There are plenty of more recent ones such as Robin Eaglen's, so it's more a case of when you want to stop. Most specialised collections will automatically include a number of obscure varieties - that's why they specialised.
Thanks Rob, I will start hunting down catalogues of the names you mentioned and see where it leads me!
Descartes
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Hello chaps,
Do any of you more experienced chaps know of any 'famous' Plantagenet collections that went to auction in the last 50 years? As I've now fine tuned my collection to the Plantagenet period I'm looking for more specialist literature, and would like to trace some auction catalogues that perhaps list rarer coins and varieties than the standard books/catalogues available in print now.
I know of the J P Mass collection (that covered part of this period), but would like to explore other big collections with choice coins that may have gone under the hammer.
Thanks,
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1 hour ago, Rob said:North p.168 shows you the regional variations in style, so in answer to your question, yes, there is no standard form. According to him they were made in 19 regional centres, so whether at the local mint in this case is another matter, and I don't know the answer. For further reading consult Anglo-Saxon Monetary History by Blackburn and Lyon, pp.223-72. I don't have it.
The style looks ok for the area. Winchester is the closest shown - which makes sense.
Thanks, Rob.
That's really useful information. I'll try and get hold of Blackburn and Lyon as it sounds like a good read. Cheers for the Winchester pointer too
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Chaps,
I'm looking for a top grade William & Mary maundy penny. I'm also hoping to find a good William III maundy penny for my collection. Would love to hear from anybody who has one for sale!
Descartes
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Hello good people of the forum.
I'm looking for a really nice Edward I class 7a penny (with rose on breast). Preferably one in tip-top condition with no ghosting or scratches, and with a good central strike.
Cheers,
Descartes
Tiny Coin Found - possibly Celtic?
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Dear Forum,
We found this little coin which appears to be a little Celtic coin. Please could we have some more information on it, as it is not something I've seen before or have much expertise with.
Thank you in advance.
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