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Coinery
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In answer to your first question, here’s the DNW lot!
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14 hours ago, Menger said:It takes two to tango, surely?
Yes, but, as has already been said, I think a determined and unlimited-funds buyer can draw a few up the ladder with him/her. I know that I went a few bids beyond my own good reasoning, and I wasn’t overly desperate (I have a 1567), or can say that I had the money to spend.
I believe it can definitely drive the prices up if someone decides they want an amazing Elizabethan collection, and sets out to buy all the nice pieces for a year or two, until perhaps they get bored?
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1 hour ago, Sword said:I am amazed that a contemporary counterfeit is worth so much. What's the reason?
I really regret not getting a decent E1 shilling (or even an E1 sixpence) years ago when the prices were not so crazy. It's outside my price range now unfortunately.
I cannot fathom why a counterfeit should be so desirable? It has a little bit of kudos from being in W. Wilkinson’s collection, but not £550 quid’s worth of kudos? I’m stunned!
The nice Elizabeth coins are absolutely flying at the moment…no rhyme nor reason to it, simply crazy! Maybe it only takes just one person with unlimited funds to suddenly get excited about Tudor coins for a couple of years, buying all the nice bits…this could potentially skew the market for years to come? I can’t think of any other explanation for such a significant spike in prices?
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Elizabeth keeps blowing me away!
Noonans today: £540 for the 1567, and around £550 for the contemporary counterfeit!
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A lovely coin, but you could never expect FDC with hairlines, surely?
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Local supermarkets still supply it behind their pharmacy counters for around £2…no brainer over getting it posted! 😊
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6 hours ago, DrLarry said:I am sure this has been mentioned somewhere in this thread but on the occasions when I have used acetone I have found that it leaves an unpleasant iridescence as a residue on bronze and copper. Similar to the fake toning discussed on other threads. just my own experiences.
You’re not using the brands with added moisturisers for cleaning nails are you?
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I really don’t think submersion is necessary. On anything but proof coins, a gentle ‘mop’ over the surface with a saturated Q-tip will do! Sacrilege I know, but it works, and even on the finest fields, reflected under natural AND artificial light, you’ll perceive no difference…dig out your 1967 pennies and see for yourself.
The one thing I would say, however, and I shared it on here a long time ago…never re-dip your bud into the acetone, otherwise, by the end of the bottle, you’ll be layering more junk onto the coin than you’re taking off!
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That’s a pretty stand-out date alignment…is it possible, like with hammered, to find a better example? I realise die-cracks are one way, of course, but are the ‘modern’ series too plentiful of dies for numeral displacements to work?
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20 hours ago, secret santa said:Nothing wrong with that - all I ask is that these individuals state that it is their opinion, and not issue proclamations as if they're proven undeniable facts.
I think most people naturally assume it to be a personal opinion when shared across one’s own personal social media account? I personally, never for a second, believed Gary’s Twitter feed represented the views of the BBC!
And re the final point in your sentence, isn’t this what our political leaders do all the time?
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The first one is a pewter replica of an Elizabeth I threepence, worth around £1 unfortunately.
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I can’t speak for this particular coin, but I did something very similar just recently when listing an Elizabeth Lis penny on eBay.
I couldn’t decide which way to bat with it (buy it now with best offer, or auction) and ended up going with auction, thinking it would find its price!It sat at .99p for a week, with people watching and then leaving…I guess thinking that it wasn’t genuine, I don’t know?
Anyway, point is, it sold for £82 and, when it did, I had three emails offering me more, with one person saying £200, which is more or less what I thought I’d get for it.
Really difficult to know what to do when using psychology to sell on eBay…sometimes it works to good effect, on other occasions it bombs!
I’m not calling this coin at all, but sometimes the genuine articles do turn up with a .99p start!
Maybe not this one, though????
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5 hours ago, Michael-Roo said:Many bargains to be had for the canny investor.
Whoever they are, Rodney, they’ll be millionaires in next to no time with an inventory like that!
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On 3/8/2023 at 10:37 PM, Nick said:Every other BBC employee manages to navigate this 'minefield' successfully (mostly), so it can't be that difficult.
I hear what you say, Nick, except it’s so obvious to everyone that the bbc is conditioned right to its very core, and something that, like everything else, will never ever be cured/solved. I live with it, but occasionally take exception to things like this!
There could come a day when David Attenborough’s take on climate change may not suit ‘impartiality,’ and perhaps that time will bring an end to our viewing of those bygone days?
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4 hours ago, Nick said:Because it is the national broadcaster that we are forced to pay for, on the basis that it stays impartial.
Doesn’t impartially then become a towed line that no longer represent free speech? Of course if you’re a BBC children’s presenter you might reasonably be expected not to talk of child molestation, whereas a BBC news presenter could.
This very much smells of ‘do as you’re told’ within the role, which then suggests as a children’s presenter you might live in fear of being quoted as admitting you enjoy having sex with your wife?-
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Just ordered 100g of sulphur flowers, so we’ll see?
In the meantime does anyone have any ‘before and after’ examples of silver treated in this way?
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19 minutes ago, jelida said:Get an ice cream container, place a couple of tablespoons of flowers of sulphur in the bottom, place tissue over and the coin to be toned on top; replace the lid and place in a warm place. The coin tones very gently, more rapidly the higher the temperature. Check every day or two. Natural toning largely relates to atmospheric sulphur compounds, this just accelerates the process.
Jerry
Fantastic! Many thanks for this…a definite correlation with heat, then! Perfect!
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35 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:I only have experience of toning bronze, but an important factor must be common to silver,
namely that of temperature. I have a lamp that's on a lot, with a compact fluorescent lamp in it, mounted base down.
If you slide a penny that someone has 'cleaned' in between the glass coils, it's supported by its edges,
and sits at a nice temperature, and re-toning is surprisingly fast, and even on both sides of the coin.
Acetone first is a good idea.
Wow, temperature, that’s interesting. I always had it in my mind a damper atmosphere would work better…I guess that’s from thinking of other metals oxidising more in those conditions?
Really appreciate your comments, very interesting! 👍
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I’ve always placed my favourite coins into coin flips and stored them in wallets, but this clearly stops any further toning.
In the past I’ve tried every little trick in the book, eggs, liver of sulphur, etc., but I’ve found that nothing really works that well. At best a uniform and ‘transparent’ grey!
SO how long to tone a cabinet coin, anything that speeds the process along? What’s your experience/examples? I’m guessing a good clean with acetone to remove any grease that may be protecting the surfaces from the atmosphere would help?
The below coin is my example of something I know would look so much better with a nice tone! It’s a really large, solid flan, with good surfaces, it should take a tone well…but will I live to see it?
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1 hour ago, jelida said:That is an exceptional spot. Well done! I dread to recollect what I paid for my two lis pennies (ex Comber), certainly four figures. I assume it’s not dated 1558 on the obverse?
Jerry
Wow, two proper Lis pennies, that’s some collection you have there!
Sadly no date, that would’ve been phenomenal. The region of the date is unfortunately too poor (I’ve only the pictures my wife has sent me from the mother-in-law’s at the moment), but I managed to die-match it to this one.
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Not my worst deal on eBay by far! I managed to match the obverse die to another better example, though, to be fair, the reverse is pretty obvious anyway!
One of a pair of coins for £25
Not a keeper, of course, but should offset something else in the wallet I hope?
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17 hours ago, DrLarry said:this just looked like a file had been taken to it
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I believe this to be nothing more than a small gouge. The flan stress marks, which still exist beneath it, reassure me there’d be no rationale for using a file in that particular location.
Just a personal opinion, though
I personally find your earlier picture a better one for looking at this issue.
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1 hour ago, Michael-Roo said:https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385421080558?hash=item59bce2f7ee:g:SCwAAOSwhtxj7Tf7
I see the lucky chimney find is at £37, with 17 bids, and with 6 days still to run. I suspect it likely a few rascals having a bit of fun?
Poor dear, she's been let down in the past by winning bidders who failed to pay up for her 1933 pennies hasn't she.
Tsk, you just can't depend on people these days.
So, fingers crossed this time eh? Told it may be worth around a quarter of a million, so listed on eBay, without reserve, at a starting price of 99p.🤞
Best little fireside story I’ve read in quite some time, that…they should be selling the story, NOT the coins, pure entertainment
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I personally don’t see the marks you speak of as being tooling. Equally I don’t, based on the images provided, feel the ‘issue’ is anything other than flan and strike anomalies? Hopefully, if you get lucky enough to find some further provenance, you may either get this confirmed or denied?
Roddy catalogue info required for Spring 2002
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Looks the same to me!