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  5. Posted · Edited by Coinery

    I’m part of an Elizabeth I group on FB, looking at interesting historical facts, articles, items, etc., and someone shared today (obviously) that this is the day that Elizabeth became queen, at the death of Mary, using this picture. 
    Does anyone know the origin, source, date of it? I haven’t got any further with the OP, and can’t seem to find it anywhere online!

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    3 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

    Rob, I have no interest in hammered, but that really is stunning.  Stunning.  I had no idea that hammered strikes could be this good.

    So funny, I have just posted a near mirror comment in the gardening thread :D

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    33 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

    Next up is the skinny jacaranda, and Queen Victoria's favourite canna 'Shenandoah'.

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    This thread really isn’t for me, but I cannot help but be impressed by your dedication to this, and I of course love your historic referencing in this particular post…amazing passion, input, and care! Superb! 

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    3 hours ago, jelida said:

    Here, finally, are my friends photos of his acorn penny, an Ebay purchase several years ago at less than £100! The same dies, I think, as my Comber example.

    Jerry

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    Oh, wow, minus the crack, that’s a great penny with ANY mark. Goodness me he fell on his feet with that one…they’re out there, then! Viva la eBay :)

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    23 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

    I've shown a close up of my 1933 and as Richard says I to cannot see just how the alteration was made , but if I were to attempt it, I would cut a 3 off another 1930s penny leaving an extra amount of metal on the bottom of the 3 , Then take the coin that is to be altered and carefully remove the last digit down to a flat surface. Then I would etch down into the coin to the exact shape of the 3 . Finally inset the 3 into the hole with some kind of glue , as I think any kind of soldering would show . Although it would have to be carried out by someone with great skill such as a jewelry maker for it not to show . ???

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    That’s exactly how I would approach it too! 

  16. Posted · Edited by Coinery

    Could be, Scott, difficult to say with certainty. Do you have it in-hand, it might be more obvious then, because the pictures don’t really show whether it’s simply 2D marks, rather than an incuse-raised device?

    On the reverse, does the line I’ve drawn fit with the mark on the obverse, because they generally show through on the reverse too, and there potentially looks to be signs of that?

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  20. Posted · Edited by Coinery

    I picked this up yesterday and know very little about the series…there looks to be a dot in HAL .F and also what appears to be a lustred indent in Victoria’s shaw? Are there micro-varieties that address this, or am I looking at post mint flaws? The dot could quite simply be corrosion/delamination, I haven’t seen it in-hand, yet?

    I know similar HAL.F dot coins exist, so thought it worth asking.

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    1 hour ago, mhcoins said:

    an issue often is understanding the cross over between the Sheldon scale and English grading standards. A slabbed VF means by English standards fine to good fine

    I think the bits that were trimmed off in the late 1500s may have graded ‘good fine?’ What’s left is melt at best!

  22. Posted

    On 10/10/2023 at 8:52 AM, jelida said:

    It’s clearly a nice thought, that the Queen might have held the coin - but would all 7200 coins have been used in the Maundy service? I have no idea. I do have a mate who also has an acorn mm, at less than a ton on EBay several years ago, so they are about. It is perhaps notable that both acorns and eglantine mm coins I have seen are nicely struck and of full flan, perhaps a little more care went in to their striking.

    Rare coins anyway. There is an eglantine in the upcoming St James’s auction.

    Jerry

    I did notice that one, but there are SO many things I’d like from that sale. I believe it could be my most expensive day in coins, with my early successes (or not) having a big bearing on whether I survive for other bids! I’m buying to sell too, just to offset my personal wants, so fingers crossed.

    The Eglantine Penny is just borderline for me, despite its rarity, I may bid…though this would absolutely be a target, in that grade, had it been acorn (your one is lovely, and your overmark lovelier still).

    I’m so glad I raised this question, and genuinely thank you for your generous sharing!

    Incidentally, is your friend’s acorn Penny a clear example, or a die comparison?

    Best,

    Stuart

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    46 minutes ago, jelida said:

    You will find both in the St James’s auction of Comber III,  lots 503 and 504. Both coins are now in my collection of Lizzie pennies, accompanied by a rather nice eglantine from EBay at £50 earlier this year.

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    Jerry

    Well that’s pretty spectacular, Jerry, what a coin…what’s your thoughts on it potentially being in the hand of the queen herself?

    BCW only had access to one single coin in the research collection…bloody well done! 👏👏👏

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    21 minutes ago, jelida said:

    Yes, I have read that also, mintmark acorn. BCW elaborates on page 10, ‘On the 2nd April 1574 the Queen issued an unusual order for just 10 pounds of pennies, to be kept by the Warden ‘ to our use’. ‘  and also states that ‘these rare coins , which were produced just before the acorn coins were pyxed, are the first specially minted Maundy coins. They continued to be produced during the following four years when the eglantine mark was in use, but only in sufficient numbers for the Maundy ceremony’.

    Jerry

    Not looked at Eglantine but, yes, I’m thinking an Acorn Penny may actually have been in the possession of, maybe even in the hand of, Elizabeth herself?

    I confess I can’t find one, not even an image!

  25. Posted

    33 minutes ago, Zo Arms said:

    Maundy money started with Charles II back in 1662, when he gave out a four penny, threepenny, twopenny and one penny coin to each individual.

    So not Elizabeth I. For some reason, I googled it a while back. I'm not intelligent enough to do links and techy stuff but Google is very helpful with this one.

    Bob.

    So this is the conundrum, because I’ve read that “7200 pennies were ordered at short notice for the queen’s own personal use, presumably for Maundy Thursday 4th April?”

    Does that undo the idea, I honestly don’t know?

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