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2 minutes ago, secret santa said:The working die wouldn't have been created with a G in VICTORIA and therefore it must have been caused by manual intervention. London Coins note that the rogue "G" is of a slightly different format to the other proper "G"s (in D:G: and REG) and Michael Gouby suggests that it might have been caused accidentally through an intended die repair to the "G" of REG being carried out by a repairer forgetting that a "G" on the right of the incuse die will actually affect the left side of the struck coin, and inadvertently "repairing" with a "G" punch the "C" of VICTORIA instead which is on the right side of the die diametrically opposite the "G" of REG.
Anyway, the error must have been spotted quite quickly given the restricted numbers of affected coins that reached circulation, as demonstrated by the fact that only 10 surviving examples have so far been recorded out of huge numbers of 1862 pennies.
A very interesting and plausible explanation.
I’m sure there’s much more to the story, however, given the straight sides of the tail of the ‘usual’ G and the very different curved sides in the tail of the G in Victoria.
Only ten known surviving examples? You must be absolutely delighted…what an acquisition for a penny collector! Well done, Sir!
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5 hours ago, Sword said:I have never experienced that. I try to submit my bid in the last few seconds and the auctions ended on the time expected.
My experience too!
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On 1/10/2023 at 11:18 PM, Rob said:Here you go. A penny, albeit silver and hammered, but a decent provenance. Six quid in Cuff.
J D Cuff 1041, Sotheby 8/6/1854
E Wigan, collection bought Rollin & Feuardent 1872
H Webb 309, Sotheby 9/7/1894
H Clark 155, Sotheby 23/5/1898
A A Banes 57, Sotheby 30/10/1922
E H Wheeler 342, Sotheby 12/3/1930
C Corbally Browne 409, Sotheby 25/3/1935
W L Raynes 473, Glendining 15/2/1950
Spink 6, lot 589, 10/10/1979
R D Shuttlewood 301, Spink 15/3/2001
C Comber
I don’t think I’ve even seen one of these before, a stunning example, right up there I should think? Whatever happened to Mary’s bust, that she had Diana/Kate grace in her premarital coinage, only to morph into a troll following her marriage to Philip a year later?
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30 minutes ago, secret santa said:Worrying times, though…we called 999 for an ambulance between Christmas and New Year and it took over 8 minutes…NOT for the arrival of the ambulance, but for the call to get answered!
Forget National Service, we should provide a week’s training in Basic/Advanced Life Support for all…we’re going to need it! It’ll be no good anyone having a choking child or a Cardiac Arrest in front of them and thinking the emergency services are going to help you!
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O’ wow, that’s absolutely gorgeous!
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I can’t get on the site at all!
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I personally would start smelling a rat!
What’s the alignment between the reverse and observe of the two coins, do we know?
In the bottom right of the video, where the metal appears to stretch out, like it’s been struck slightly more heavily at that point, I’d expect to see some differences in the height/movement of the devices between the two coins on account of that. Also the beading is so perfectly matched for both coins, though in the bottom left of the video it appears as though the beading has been chopped, maybe filed?-
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These look superb, I love them! Amazing that the ‘porcelain’ bust remains intact.
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On 12/2/2022 at 11:37 AM, DaveG38 said:I'm completely green when it comes to old tickets, so any help appreciated. I've just bought a W&M 1693 Irish halfpenny and it has come with an old circular ticket, plus a paper holder. As far as I can judge the writing on these is from two different people, and I wondered if anybody can identify either or both of them. Any ideas? There was no clue from the vendors.
I don’t know the answer to this, but do you think there’s a link?
One of the below tickets references Ffolks tables of English coinage, which I’ve been advised was an antiquated source by the mid 1800s? It’s been proposed that we should be looking in the 1750-1830 window for a collection with these hand-made tickets? -
That’s a VERY good effort. I can’t 100% recall, will take a look, but I’m pretty certain I had a similar-quality copy of a sixpence with the same date and mark.
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3 hours ago, TomGoodheart said:Cool. Thanks! I'll update my records.
Have you the coin with those tickets, not a common 6d that?
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14 hours ago, TomGoodheart said:Is the other (neater hand) ticket not John Jerrams? Or am I confused?
No these are the tickets that belonged to an earlier sale, before J.J. purchased it to sell, I got confused with me pictures 😬
The neater hand is agreed to be Comber (there’s a couple of other Comber tickets posted in recent days for comparison), so it’s now the left I’m curious about? Sorry for the confusion.
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2 hours ago, TomGoodheart said:Yup. Left ticket (which looks grey to me and written in fountain pen) looks like Comber's writing to me too.
Thanks for that
Interesting…why would he write two for the same coin?
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3 hours ago, Coinery said:Can confirm the ticket to the right is Stephen’s of Top Carp 👍
Anyone for the left one?
This is a misunderstanding
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40 minutes ago, jelida said:TopCarp on EBay is John Jerrams (of the Satin penny guides). The blue ink tickets are definitely Comber, I’ve just checked the tickets of some Lizzie shillings, and a number of Lizzie pennies from two separate Comber sales, they are all identical.
Jerry
Thanks, Jerry, really appreciate your input here! I thought the right hand ticket looked Comber, any thoughts on the left, from what little is shown?
Edit: sorry I meant TopCarp2 and he’s definitely signing himself off as Stephen???
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Can confirm the ticket to the right is Stephen’s of Top Carp 👍
Anyone for the left one?
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1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:I'll have to hunt them out, I imagine it's just me memory being a bit iffy as I sold it a few years ago, one of a pair I found in a field
The BM disclaimed them, have changed computers about 4 times if not more since though, so images are possibly lost. I don't doubt yours is correct!
EDIT to add an image and show just how iffy memory gets after 10 years or so lol
Yours is nicer but I got more for mine
I have to say, though, if my coin, in the light of your upcoming evidence, had turned out to be fake (I double-checked mine after your initial post), I would’ve sold up and changed hobbies. One or two significant differences between the two examples, thank goodness
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1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:I sold one just like it a few years ago.... alarmingly alike in fact.
Images would be very welcome if you can find them? This one weighs right, looks right, and also rings right
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Looking at the highlights I’d say it’s not only the same coin, but even the same photo used for both examples!