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  1. 4 hours ago, secret santa said:

    On a different subject, I have been studying the obverse 4 missing leaf types where all the examples that I've seen bear slight traces of the "missing" leaf and a weakened linear circle above the missing leaf. The example in Michael Gouby's book, however, shows a complete linear circle:


    However, close examination suggests that these 2 pictures are of the same coin - compare the shading and the dark spot on the right hand side. Perhaps the 2nd picture was doctored (definitely not by Michael) to illustrate what the missing leaf might look like. Michael agrees with me and intends to include a different picture in any future updates to his book.

    I therefore think that the genuine missing leaf types look like this, with weakened linear circle:


    Which is probably what would be expected from a partially filled die in that area of the coin.

    Looking at the highlights I’d say it’s not only the same coin, but even the same photo used for both examples!

  2. 2 minutes ago, secret santa said:

    The working die wouldn't have been created with a G in VICTORIA and therefore it must have been caused by manual intervention. London Coins note that the rogue "G" is of a slightly different format to the other proper "G"s (in D:G: and REG) and Michael Gouby suggests that it might have been caused accidentally through an intended die repair to the "G" of REG being carried out by a repairer forgetting that a "G" on the right of the incuse die will actually affect the left side of the struck coin, and inadvertently "repairing" with a "G" punch the "C" of VICTORIA instead which is on the right side of the die diametrically opposite the "G" of REG.

    Anyway, the error must have been spotted quite quickly given the restricted numbers of affected coins that reached circulation, as demonstrated by the fact that only 10 surviving examples have so far been recorded out of huge numbers of 1862 pennies.

    A very interesting and plausible explanation.

    I’m sure there’s much more to the story, however, given the straight sides of the tail of the ‘usual’ G and the very different curved sides in the tail of the G in Victoria.

    Only ten known surviving examples? You must be absolutely delighted…what an acquisition for a penny collector! Well done, Sir!

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  3. On 1/10/2023 at 11:18 PM, Rob said:

    Here you go. A penny, albeit silver and hammered, but a decent provenance. Six quid in Cuff.

    J D Cuff 1041, Sotheby 8/6/1854

    E Wigan, collection bought Rollin & Feuardent 1872

    H Webb 309, Sotheby 9/7/1894

    H Clark 155, Sotheby 23/5/1898

    A A Banes 57, Sotheby 30/10/1922

    E H Wheeler 342, Sotheby 12/3/1930

    C Corbally Browne 409, Sotheby 25/3/1935

    W L Raynes 473, Glendining 15/2/1950

    Spink 6, lot 589, 10/10/1979

    R D Shuttlewood 301, Spink 15/3/2001

    C Comber

    c2002 P and M Portrait penny - Copy.jpg

    I don’t think I’ve even seen one of these before, a stunning example, right up there I should think? Whatever happened to Mary’s bust, that she had Diana/Kate grace in her premarital coinage, only to morph into a troll following her marriage to Philip a year later?

  4. 30 minutes ago, secret santa said:


    Worrying times, though…we called 999 for an ambulance between Christmas and New Year and it took over 8 minutes…NOT for the arrival of the ambulance, but for the call to get answered!

    Forget National Service, we should provide a week’s training in Basic/Advanced Life Support for all…we’re going to need it! It’ll be no good anyone having a choking child or a Cardiac Arrest in front of them and thinking the emergency services are going to help you!

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  5. I personally would start smelling a rat!

    What’s the alignment between the reverse and observe of the two coins, do we know?

    In the bottom right of the video, where the metal appears to stretch out, like it’s been struck slightly more heavily at that point, I’d expect to see some differences in the height/movement of the devices between the two coins on account of that. Also the beading is so perfectly matched for both coins, though in the bottom left of the video it appears as though the beading has been chopped, maybe filed?

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  6. On 12/2/2022 at 11:37 AM, DaveG38 said:

    I'm completely green when it comes to old tickets, so any help appreciated. I've just bought a W&M 1693 Irish halfpenny and it has come with an old circular ticket, plus a paper holder. As far as I can judge the writing on these is from two different people, and I wondered if anybody can identify either or both of them. Any ideas? There was no clue from the vendors.



    I don’t know the answer to this, but do you think there’s a link?
    One of the below tickets references Ffolks tables of English coinage, which I’ve been advised was an antiquated source by the mid 1800s? It’s been proposed that we should be looking in the 1750-1830 window for a collection with these hand-made tickets?



  7. 14 hours ago, TomGoodheart said:

    Is the other (neater hand) ticket not John Jerrams? Or am I confused?

    No these are the tickets that belonged to an earlier sale, before J.J. purchased it to sell, I got confused with me pictures 😬

    The neater hand is agreed to be Comber (there’s a couple of other Comber tickets posted in recent days for comparison), so it’s now the left I’m curious about? Sorry for the confusion.

  8. 40 minutes ago, jelida said:

    TopCarp on EBay is John Jerrams (of the Satin penny guides).  The blue ink tickets are definitely Comber, I’ve just checked the tickets of some Lizzie shillings, and a number of Lizzie pennies from two separate Comber sales, they are all identical.


    Thanks, Jerry, really appreciate your input here! I thought the right hand ticket looked Comber, any thoughts on the left, from what little is shown?

    Edit: sorry I meant TopCarp2 and he’s definitely signing himself off as Stephen???

  9. 1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

    I'll have to hunt them out, I imagine it's just me memory being a bit iffy as I sold it a few years ago, one of a pair I found in a field :) The BM disclaimed them, have changed computers about 4 times if not more since though, so images are possibly lost. I don't doubt yours is correct!

    EDIT to add an image and show just how iffy memory gets after 10 years or so lol :) Yours is nicer but I got more for mine :D




    I have to say, though, if my coin, in the light of your upcoming evidence, had turned out to be fake (I double-checked mine after your initial post), I would’ve sold up and changed hobbies. One or two significant differences between the two examples, thank goodness :)

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