pokal02

I won't be there so would be grateful if you could have a look, many thanks Rob

Hi all, Having given up on getting an Ashby groat, I'm down to two to complete 'one of each reign, mint & date' - but perhaps not the two I would have expected. Edward IV 2nd reign groat of York mint - fairly inexpensive per ESC but I've only ever seen one (in the Motcomb sale - I was the underbidder) - I know they weren't minted for very long. Oxford mint 1646 - again not dreadfully expensive but seems difficult - I think there was one in the Brady sale. If anyone can help, I'd be most grateful (ideally somewhere between F & VF - small scratches or very minor edge loss considered, but not holes or bent/badly creased coins).

The Ashby groat was too hot for me, going for 10 times estimate. This was the one strand of my collection that I had hopes of completing (crowns being barred by 1674, shillings by Henry VII and pennies by Beorthric among others) - but no longer, especially as that was the worse of the two known specimens. I'll just have to start collecting double-florins...

It's the way things are going nowadays - if I had £12k to spare (alas, I don't) I'd rather have 20 different early milled in, say, GF than one in EF but know I'm in the minority. Having said that, the estimate looks very low (assuming it's a proper EF - DNW are a tad lenient I think).

I've bought a few times from him and am always satisfied. He seems to turn up more rare/unusual hammered stuff than most.

DNW was a bit strange altogether yesterday - I was watching the Tudor hammered silver, which was mostly fair to middling grade-wise - some was going well under estimate and some well over - got the lot I wanted though.

The trick is to pay more for the 'right' coins and keep patient. I'm still irked that I paid £400 a few years ago for a 1662 Crown then worth half that (it was one of the rarer edge varieties but another one at a more reasonable price would no doubt have turned up). On the other hand I've paid double book price for some rarities which have proved a good investment in the long run. I find that many of the less rare coins I'm looking for only turn up in good or bad condition whereas I'm really looking for middling - e.g. it's easy to find a 1645 groat at either £200 or £1000+ but I'd be looking at say £500 - nothing doing!. So have to keep my discipline!

Definitely agree that VF grade now is lower than 30 years ago - the big divide then was F to VF, now it's VF to EF (although EF has also come down a bit from what it used to be).

Spink's 2018 catalogue has finally dropped the (non-existent, I think) 1845 star stop crowns.

The problem with proofs and patterns, especially the latter, is what to put in and what to omit (I like the idea of a separate volume as they could then include everything, although a lot of the prices would be meaningless). At present they include for example the Briot pattern halfgroat of Charles I - why this and and not some of the other Briot patterns and the Edward Greene groat? Why a Reddite crown but not the (much less rare) Garter 1804 dollar? A minor gripe as a crown collector is that 1551-53 are the only dates not listed separately (1553 I would say being about 20% pricier that 1551) although 1642 & 1643 Oxford (S2946 & S2946A), which have always been given the same price, are split. Another inconsistency is that the Exeter crowns alone are differentiated by mint mark - why not then the Tower issues (and James I & 1551 Y & tun) which would have as much/more rarity/price variation. .

Yes, wouldn't argue with either Fine or GF

I think they'd be better off hiving the proofs and patterns to another book like they've done with the decimals. I tend to agree listing coins like the Petition crown is a bit silly, the few collectors who are thinking of spending six-figure sums on a coin are unlikely to be influenced by ESC anyway.

I'm fairly new to Roman and for now am concentrating on London Mint issues - Spink describes them as 'billon' up to Maximian & 'AE' thereafter. I've seen various items described as 'billon', copper' and bronze in dealers lists. It's my understanding that all the London Mint folles/nummi/'AE3's contained some silver, starting with about 4% and gradually reducing to nearer 2% - is this correct? (The later coins of Constantine I/Crispus seem to turn up silvered more often). Does a coin need a certain amount of silver to be described as billon rather than bronze, or are some dealers just deciding that if a coin looks bronze/copper they'll describe it that way? .

Baldwin's Winter Price List has quite a decent one at £9,995. I have one in about F and slightly bent - don't think I'll ever be able to upgrade!

I think the green box is perhaps twice as rare as the burgundy (I've never seen a blue one), do others agree?