Bernie

If you stare at the space below the two eights long enough I do see a boxlike section. Could be my imagination !

There was no record of the workman coll. Freeman 169 being from the Freeman collection but I think it highly likely it was. This coin was probably the finest coin available when it was obtained for the workman collection. I have attached a different picture of the workman collection coin.

I thought that I would share my three tales of woe. Firstly I was the successful winner of an extremely rare halfpenny on Ebay. I paid for the coin with Paypal. The next day Ebay informed me that my $910 had been returned to my account, with the reason, "out of stock or damaged". I contacted the seller directly and he informed me that a colleague entered the coin on Ebay in error and that he no longer owned the coin. Next was a Venetian rare coin auctioned on a Polish auction site. This auction was conducted in up to two stages, pre auction bidding leading to live bidding. I made many pre auction bids, each bid resulting to being "you are outbid" My last bid of 3000 zlotys returned that I was the highest bidder and an email was sent to me stating that my offer would be entered into the live bidding. I watched the live bidding of the coin, ready to continue bidding if necessary. The coin sold for 3000 zlotys. Four days later I hadn't receive an invoice, so I contacted the auction site. They later informed me that I was outbid. I contacted them again, showing them their email confirming that my bid would be entered into the live auction. They then informed me that another bidder had entered a bid of 3000 earlier the same day as my bid. Next misfortune was winning a low grade halfpenny on Ebay. The picture was not brilliant but it appeared to be a Freeman obverse 6. On receiving the coin it was clearly obverse 7, a lower leaf of the third group clearly visible on the coin. I have mentioned this because digital pictures can be very misleading, especially border teeth alignment with letters or colons in the legend. I have attached two pictures of this halfpenny, one from ebay and one that I have scanned of the coin.

Could be 11+L if you like. LOL !

Does look like a G, pictures of the coin Obv & Rev could give your coin more weight. (no pun intended)

All examples of 2+C that I have seen have the die crack evidence, through "A" of "VICTORIA"

Colons after FD too wide for Obverse 4, I believe.

Not a 4 Gary, so that leaves 6 ?

Could be foreign.. French ?

Well Done ! Like Hens Teeth !

https://www.colincooke.com/collections/oxford_vicbunhead.html Lot 140,

I noticed this Freeman 14 penny that is to be auctioned by Heritage on January 21st. The coin is slabbed and graded as MS67. I am almost certain that it was my coin, but now appears different, much brighter, some minor blemishes removed and some details such as minor scratches possibly polished away. https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/world-coins/great-britain-victoria-penny-1860-ms67-red-and-brown-ngc-/a/3089-32804.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 I have attached pictures of the coin that I used to have in my collection, What do others think ? Bernie...

Yes maybe, Here is another example of coins that are definitely the same but appear to look different. Pictures can be very deceptive. Freeman 341 (16+P)

Rechecked, not a scratch but a fine die crack ! I concur, it is a different coin, but surely struck from the same pair of dies, probably struck within 10's of striking. Thank you all for your opinions. Happy New Year !

How about the horizontal minor scratch about 1mm above and to the right of the rose. I don't think this is an impression from the die.

Freeman 14 reverse

I second that ! I just hope that the coins that I have been waiting for to turn up do not come into their possession. Also this company do like to make rather large profits !

Looks like a Freeman 28 to me.

Yes, The very same Mal lewendon

In grades EF+ I would have thought that it must be about fifty times rarer than than the commoner Freeman 166. Finding a BU example would be challenging ! I remember these 1908 varieties when they were in circulation the 164 & 168 were of similar abundance in low grade, about three to one, funny that.

Yes, your coin is the said F/P. It is the same die pairing as my coin, Freeman obverse 6 with reverse G. I have attached a picture of my 6+G Halp coin. I also have a Halp coin of Obverse 7+G. I have heard rumours that other die pairs of Halp coins have been reported, including Reverse E !