Sovereign Rarities Sale, Thoughts?

[Sovereign Rarities Sale, Thoughts?]

On 9/22/2022 at 4:13 AM, Mr T said:

What 1887 penny was it? I had a look on their site and could only see a June auction.

Lead Pattern lot 249

[Sovereign Rarities Sale, Thoughts?]

50 minutes ago, Rob said:

Bought one lot for stock, but nothing for the collection. I wanted one of 3 Wiener shillings, but I'm not paying £7-15K for one. £3K maybe for a nice one. Equally, not paying £3K for the pattern decimal penny.

No prizes for guessing which 1887 penny I got driven up to buy. But at least I know its pedigree right back to Murdock and it is after all unique.

[contract law - offer for sale]

Conversations like this take me back 50+ years to phrases like "invitation to treat" "offer and acceptance" "fundamental terms and mere warranties"

The goods on ebay only invite an invitation to treat (make an offer). Who remembers The Boots Cash Chemists case or 

Carlill v Carbolic Smoke Ball Co

If your money is not accepted there is no contract. On the other hand Sale of Goods Act is also in force so ask someone a lot younger.

[DISH 504 half sovereign]

[DISH 504 half sovereign]

Dought ex David Iverson 14/10/21

 

 

[DISH 504 half sovereign]

Do you mean L504 in which case yes

 

[Norman Coin Identification and Restoration Advice]

It looks like a Stafford Mint penny early Anglo Saxon or Norman see Spink 2017 p147

[Recommendations Wanted]

You could try

H.W. Wood Limited

The Baltic Exchange, 38 St Mary Axe, London EC3A 8BH

Phone: +44 (0)20 7398 9000 ext 2105
Direct Dial: +44 (0)20 3697 2105

Good as you don't have to identify "valuables" or say what is gold silver or other. No photos needed but obviously if you need any claim it is good to have all details.

If you use them I could do with a commission.

[The Verene collection of British proofs]

And what about the Gothic Crowns? A$84000+ commission = £58,000 phew.

I was happy to get three lots including one piece, I believe unique, from the collection.

[Halfcrown list]

On 2/15/2022 at 3:27 PM, yaaseen said:

I know about the 7 to space amd bead but believe that this variety is only on proofs - and I am not including proofs.

How is the G broken?  

 

[Royal Mint annual reports 1870-1976 now online]

Brilliant. Thank you for finding that. I had borrowed the 1887 and 1888 books and had to scan them myself for the last 10 years.

[Shilling List]

Left out the 1887 YH

and the JEB pattern with ONE SHILLING but you may not be including patterns

[Halfcrown list]

1887 Jubilee three different obverses

The two you mention and 20 pearls to the brooch instead of the usual 16 this is paired with different reverses.

three different reverses.

Broken G (just a die flaw but scarce)

7 to a space

7 to a bead

[Sotheby Thorburn 1918]

Well done Rob. The same coin is illustrated in Thorburn's "The Coinage of Great Britain" Third edition plate VIII ref 104 but the quality is quite poor.

[High End Auction Houses]

If it is "extremely special" say over £25,000-£50,000 Japan or America might do better.

[possibly fake gold coins]

Has anyone got an authenticated 'Beirut' copy for sale please.

[A veil head 1893 threepence priced at 600 pounds]

Steep prices indeed but you can't argue with the quality. There is a whole world of investors rather collectors out there. The Americans at Heritage and the Japanese seem to be driving tremendous prices. Just sit back and increase your insurance 

[possibly fake gold coins]

Grief; if they are duff my whole collection is probably suspect. On the other hand the 1887 £5 is one of the most forged coins.

[Jubilee head sixpence die pairings]

On 3/12/2021 at 9:53 PM, Mr T said:

Four different reverses for 1887? What are they?

Can I contact you to discus? I have 8 different 1887 reverses.

[Collection going under the hammer 10 Mar at DNW]

On 3/2/2021 at 11:36 AM, Mr T said:

Do you know if the 7 to head is known on circulating coins? I'm inclined to call it a pattern because it looks like an unrecorded obverse too - there are two lines on the bottom of the crown like obverse 1 but three pearls on the central arch like obverse 2.

The main point with the obverse is the brooch has 20 pearls not 16 as is normal. So in fact a totally different obverse. Some of these were issued in the 1887 silver only sets. I have not seen a currency piece with 7 to a bead

[Jubilee head sixpence die pairings]

Yes you are onto something here. I have examined my extensive 1887 collection of 6d. There are as you say different obverses but not limited to the two you show. Even the reverses are not limited to the A-E in Davies. there being at least four of 1887 alone. For comparison I would like to see your obv. 2 if it is 1887. I only have one.

[Collection going under the hammer 10 Mar at DNW]

The 1887 Halfcrown with 7 to a bead is a significant rarity. I have sent the information to a friend in Australia who has been looking for one for some time. The double florin obv.1 rev. B is well known but represents only about 5% of 1887 double florins. If you have anything else 1887 please contact me.  PS good to see all the familiar names on the forum.

[can anyone tell me if this is a proof crown 1887 victoria?]

1 hour ago, JLS said:

A good diagnostic for a proof of this issue is whether St. George's belt is sharp all the way across his chest. It's very rare to see a currency piece with this feature as they generally were not well struck enough. 

Another test is to measure the distance from the top of the R in REG to the top of the T in VICTORIA. This is done with vernier callipers (for more reliable results take an average of 10 readings). Most of the proofs measure 33.6mm Other coins vary a good deal up to 34.6mm. This was a test introduced to me by Peter Davies of British Silver Coins. And no it is not a proof though the tone is rather pleasing on the obv.

[1887 Pattern Shilling by L.C.Wyon]

I have never seen the actual catalogue or the archive. Can you give me a link please?

[1887 Pattern Shilling by L.C.Wyon]

I am trying to track down a shilling collector who might know where this coin is. ESC 1406 (3rd. ed.) BSC 1000 (1st. ed.) I know and have seen the Royal Mint example but where is the one sold  Spink & Son 11/7/2001  lot 1039 £1450 (£1668). I have the corresponding sixpence. The designer is said by Davies to be J E Boehm and the engraver said by Seaby & Rayner to be L.C. Wyon.