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Posts posted by 1949threepence

  1. 1 hour ago, Diaconis said:

    Far from being a penny aficionado, I had to read a thread from 2013 to see that F90 is a narrow date. In that post RCL35 had just picked one up in Chicago and various estimates  were bandied around at that time ranging from £2.5k to £10k. Just out of curiosity how many examples are known to exist of this type, roughly speaking?

    I'd say definitely <20: in all probability <15, and none of the known ones in especially good grade.

    Even virtual washers go for very high prices. For example this one went for £3,600 hammer at LCA in March 2018:-


    F90 REV.jpg

    F90 OBV.jpg

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  2. 14 hours ago, secret santa said:

    My own 1877 F90 originally went up at 99p so I immediately contacted the vendor to tell him it was worth thousands and not to accept a tempting cash offer. Wound up driving up to Derby to inspect the coin before paying an arm and a leg for it !

    Well worth the car journey and any other inconvenience to eventually secure it though, Richard. Presumably the seller was in ignorance of what it was, and might easily have fallen for the first decent approach. Although to a suspicious mind that might well have prompted further investigation as to why someone should suddenly privately offer a largish sum on a 99p starting price auction, for a seemingly commonplace coin. 

    You definitely did the right thing IMO.    

  3. 3 hours ago, Paddy said:

    I would say fake - this has some of the characteristics of the fakes discussed on this forum about a year ago. The dents in the second one of the date and in the neck above look very familiar. Is the orientation right? These should be medal alignment, but the fakes were coin aligned.



    2 hours ago, Nick said:

    Fake.  London Coins should know better.

    Thanks chaps - that's exactly what I thought, but couldn't quite believe that London Coins would make such a schoolboy error.  

  4. It helps if you are knowledgeable in your chosen field when shopping for coins on e bay. Then the world is your oyster in terms of finding bargains, as opposed to the bay of sharks it is to the greenhorn newbie collector. 

    Let's not forget that e bay sellers are just as liable to make mistakes or omissions in categorising, as they are to offer a costly dud. How else did I get a F76 for next to nothing, and a few members here have nabbed similar bargains. 

    Before we get too sanctimonious and judgemental on sellers, maybe we should equally ask ourselves whether we would notify the seller what they'd got, if they were offering a real 1877 narrow date penny as a Bin for a tenner. 

    As Gary says the type of seller is as varied as the types of people you meet in life. Some are thieving little toerags and others ultra honest folk who would never knowingly rip you off. 

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  5. On 7/1/2019 at 9:14 AM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

    I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a dealer/seller sells a item that they know, by being informed by knowledgeable specialists, is not what it purports to be.

    Fraud possibly, with damages. More possibly if a member of a numismatic organization.

    Probably even more if it can be documented that said seller has a history of mis-attributed items for sale.

    Academic musings inasmuch as this could apply to a few sellers....

    That's an interesting one. I don't know to what extent a court would take the apparent knowledge of a specialist into account. It might depend on whether the seller said they didn't know the person who informed them they were wrong, was an expert, or merely someone who was trying to knock them down so the coin would be sold as an ordinary offering so they could get it at a low price. 

    It might be very difficult to establish intent, and I'd bet that most such cases would be chucked out by the CPS for lack of hard evidence before they saw the light of day. By hard evidence, I mean evidence of deliberate attempt to deceive. 

  6. 4 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

    There father who just dyed and didn't no anything about coins but I found them in are atic. I'm tolled their very rare by an ex spurt who I consull constul arksed about them.

    Very good !


    7 hours ago, secret santa said:

    Shyster !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I messaged them after they put up the first 1877 "narrow date" to correct them and, when they didn't, I threatened to message Ebay at which stage they replied that their (I don't know their gender) father had just died and they hadn't had time. This may be true but I suspect not.

    To be fair, the majority of e bay sellers are reasonably honest, if occasionally misguided. But sellers like this guy and lifeasas-64 give the rest a bad name. Tainted by association, as it were.



  7. 6 hours ago, secret santa said:

    Sadly, I have to locate, and put on, reading glasses to operate a mobile phone. This trend to do more and more with one's mobile phone drives me to distraction. I don't normally carry reading glasses around with me but soon I'll have to have them grafted to my face.

    It's this kind of inconvenience they don't take account of before deciding to push ahead with these mostly unnecessary initiatives. 

  8. Like many people these days, I use internet banking, mainly from my desktop. For the most part, I've had no problem with it, and have found it an extremely useful and convenient resource.

    Recently my own bank has been pushing for me to download their mobile banking app, apparently in readiness for when the additional security measures are introduced in September this year. That is explained here and is a whole other discussion in and of itself, in terms of inconvenience/annoyance to the customer.

    But as for the mobile app, I decided to give it a go - thinking, well you never know, it might offer a wider scope of operation in some way. But I'm afraid it was a disappointment. It actually doesn't do anything that can't already be achieved employing ordinary internet banking, and what's more, I found I still didn't need the mobile app when using mobile devices such as a tablet or smartphone. Was still able to, for example, transfer money using a smartphone and accessing internet banking via a google search for the bank's website, in the usual way.

    As for the new security measures, nowhere do they explain why the app will help in navigating them. From what I can make out, it would seem that for a much larger percentage of on line purchases than at present (42% compared to 2%), the additional security measures will be needed, typically consisting of a unique 6 digit reference being texted to your smartphone, which you then insert onto the relevant part of the screen in the website you're trying to make the purchase from. Still can't see how the app makes it any better.

    Of course it's tough if you don't have a mobile, or, possibly even more pertinently, if the text is delayed getting through, as often happens.