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Bronze & Copper Collector

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  1. 8 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

    The N in ONE Gary ,both of the uprights is to a gap and another indicator ?

    You're correct Pete, inasmuch as it was the N in ONE...

    Reverse D both uprights point to teeth

    Reverse E the uprights point to a gap

    Unfortunately, as I indicated in my original post, if the border is so worn that the position of the 1 cannot be determined, the same problem will probably exist regarding the uprights of the N.

  2. 2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    F.W.K.Gee was a contributor to Coin Monthly in the early days. He wrote an article on Edward VIII pennies in the October 1969 edition. Then he wrote articles on the same topic in the August, September, October, November and December 1971 editions. A five part series.

    They were very detailed and informative articles, Jon. No idea what the "F W K" stood for though. 

    With regard to the F169, I've never seen one on offer except at auction. I suspect there are one or two more, but difficult to tell as the border teeth are too worn to determine whether the 1 of the date is directly over a border tooth. Funnily enough in the November article, there is an interesting piece on how to determine whether a 169 is a 169 when the border teeth are too worn to otherwise tell. Bit late tonight as I'm practically falling asleep at the keyboard. But I'll dig out that specific article tomorrow, and post the details here.     

    Unless I am misremembering, I vaguely recall reading something about an alternative method of identifying an F-169. Regretfully I do not have any way of determining my original source of that information.

    I believe that it might have had something to do with the position of one of the N's in PENNY.  Unfortunately, in many instances, if the date was too worn to determine the position of the 1, the same situation existed for the lettering in PENNY.

    As I stated in the beginning, I might be merely misremembering, simply incorrect, or just delusional...

  3. 3 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Probably some bloke down the pub he saw three of when blotto.

    Pubs are full of experts on all sorts of things I've noticed over the years - kind as well, all willing to give you their expert opinion free of charge. 

    Experts are those that help substantiate your opinions or claims....   Otherwise they don't know what they are talking about....

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  4. 22 minutes ago, bagerap said:

    If you don't get this first time round, well neither did I.

    Bob and a few of his co-workers go out to lunch to celebrate Bob's birthday. Bob, Tim, and Susan are sitting together in the booth when the waitress approaches. She hands them their menus and says "Good afternoon fellas! Welcome to Ruby Taste Kitchen! Before we get started, might I ask if you're here to celebrate a special occasion?" Susan pipes up "It's Bob's birthday!" "Oh well happy birthday! Make sure you save room because you'll get a free dessert!" Tim and Susan smile and nod, but Bob looks a bit confused. He asks her to repeat herself. "Sure thing, happy birthday! Save room and you'll get a free dessert". There's a moment of silence before Bob says "Vroom, vroom!"

    For those that remember Groucho and his show 'You Bet Your Life', where if you said the secret word  you got $100 ($50 each contestant).

    Let us not forget the contestant who tried to collect the bonus by saying "THE SECRET WORD". I don't know if they ever collected the $100 or even if the segment ever aired, but it does make for interesting conversation and is somewhat apropos...

  5. This is an intriguing thread, which makes me want to bring up two issues.


    1)    My personal pet peeve is regarding those that say “I COULD care less”.

    I have always said “I COULDN’T care less” inasmuch as it, to me, is more logical.

    If you could care less, then it has at least some modicum of importance to you.

    If you couldn’t care less, then it is of the absolute least possible importance to you.

    Yet, for some reason, both are used interchangeably, and accepted as meaning the same thing.


    2)    Being neither a student nor scholar in either languages in general or specifically in Latin, I would ask whether the fact that the various Latin words in question are used in a sentence written in English would have any bearing on the issue.

    Would the Latin words that have entered the English language be subject to the rules of Latin Grammar or the rules of English grammar, or would a combination of correct Latin grammar and common English usage be the ultimate determinant of acceptable use?

    Would this be considered to be within the guidelines for the accepted evolution of a language?


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  6. 5 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

    Can either of you tell me what eliminates obverse 2 please? :unsure: 


    Upon further close examination, I'll recant my opinion and state that I now consider and believe YOUR original assessment of it being an obverse 2 to be the correct one.

    It only serves to reinforce my belief that NOTHING substitutes for DIRECT EXAMINATION OF THE COIN IN HAND!!!


  7. 12 minutes ago, Bernie said:

    Not a 4 Gary, so that leaves 6 ?

    From the image, I don't think it is a  2, 3, 5, or 7.... (1 is automatically eliminated inasmuch as the coin does not have a beaded border..)

    Leaving either 4 or 6.

    If you don't think it's a 4, then it is most likely an obverse 6.

    Again, nothing substitutes for direct examination....

  8. Just now, mrbadexample said:

    Brilliant thank you. :) It appears to match very closely with this one, with the exception of the vertical line. Perhaps an earlier die state?

    Do you consider these to be F274 variants or F274A variants? 

    F274 B&C.jpg

    My personal assessment and attributions are to categorize them as F-274a variants.

    Inasmuch as the F-274a is considered to actually be a 6 over higher 6, unlike the F-282a which is clearly a 6 over 8, I consider all the various incarnations of 6 over 6 to be F-274a variants.

    Again, these are only my thoughts and how I have classified them in my collection..

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  9. 1 hour ago, mrbadexample said:

    I thought I might have been lucky and bagged a 6/8 (F274A) but although it's the right die pairing it doesn't match other examples I've found. Dracott lists a 6/6 (but no 6/8) but I think if this was a match he'd have mentioned the 8 too. 

    Can I ask what others think please?

    1861 ½d F274 (4).jpg

    If I did this correctly, it should link to different variants of the F-274a that I posted a while back...



  10. 4 hours ago, Diaconis said:

    Most people think that all testicles are pretty much the same, but there's a vas deferens.

    Apropos to the above:


    A man travels to Spain and goes to a restaurant near the bull arena for a late dinner. He orders the house special and he is brought a plate with potatoes, corn, and two large meaty objects. "What's this?" he asks?

    "The Matador Special, Senor," the waiter replies.

    "What meat is it?" the man asks.

    "Cojones," the waiter explains, "They, are the testicles of the bull who lost at the arena this afternoon."

    At first the man is disgusted; but being the adventurous type, he decides to try this local delicacy. To his amazement, it is quite delicious. In fact, it is so good that he decides to come back again the next night and order it again. This time, the waiter brings out the plate, but the meaty objects are much smaller.

    "What's this?" he asks the waiter.

    "The Matador Special, senor," the waiter replies.

    "No, no," the man objects, "I had the Matador Special yesterday and it was much bigger than this."

    "Senor," the waiter explains, "the bull does not always lose."

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  11. 16 hours ago, bhx7 said:

    So a bit of a long shot, and definitely one for all you bronze collectors. I have been going back through my Victoria half pennies and came across this one. A 1862 Half Penny with peculiar obtrusion's from under the F of HALF. I no longer have my microscope as it broke and I haven't got around to getting another, so have spent a good while trying to capture what I can see under a loop. I have also drawn a very crude sketch of what the F should be like and what mine is like. Has anyone seen this before? Is it noted somewhere? Any idea's would be appreciated. Thanks guys

    quick drawing of Fs online.jpg

    1862 penny with something under F of Half online.jpg

    F on 1862 Half penny online.jpg

    I believe it is what Iain Dracott identifies as a F over F in his Victorian Half Penny article...

    More defined than in my specimen....

    Nice example of the variety....