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Bronze & Copper Collector

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  1. Here is an email that I just sent to the seller regarding the coin....

    HI Mark,,

    As per our conversation,, I am attaching the 2400 DPI scans of the coin, as well as images of my current specimen of the mule, along with the images of a toothed and beaded border reverses that I had sent to you last week.....

    As I told you, although there are areas of the border that look like beads, there are also areas that look like teeth, and the slab itself is preventing closer examination....

    Anyway, these are the prinicipal points of doubt (and there may be more)...

    1: The rock formation to the left of the lighthouse is as on the toothed border, not as on the beaded border....

    2: The Beads (?) are closer to the rim than on beaded border, very much like a toothed border.... touching in some areas, indicative od a toothed border........

    3: The Beads (?) seem a trifle thicker that beads, more like teeth......

    4: The 0 in 1860 is touching the linear circle, which it does not do in any known specimen of the mule.....

    Just from examining these points, I am very hesitant to absolutely conclude that this is a mule, although I find it somewhat difficult to believe that PCGS would get something as simple as this attribution incorrect.... but that may be exactly what happened.... And the only way to be absolutely sure is to crack it out of the slab, which I don't want to do at this point, especially if it has been mis-attributed and we need to get PCGS involved....

    Regards,

    Gary


  2. Hello Everyone....

    The coin in question arrived today... VERY FAST SHIPPING.....

    I believe it to be the MULE FARTHING...

    It is virtually impossible to get a decent angle to take a photograph, but I did scan it at 2400 DPI....

    I posted the image on a websote and have links to it here...

    REVERSE

    OBVERSE

    The images are LARGE in size, but if you study the reverse, you CAN see the beads of the border very clearly at certain points......

    I'd like to hear comments from the forum regarding the coin though....


  3. Hello...to all of you that are concerned about the mule was being offered on e-bay.. Thank you all for your concern, and i understand your trepidation..as i am not a coin dealer..Please let me clarify the coins that are being offered are from my father James J. Martino, AKA Mr. Coins..out of Long Island N.Y. ,he has over 30 years experience as a coin dealer..and as to the coin in question, most definitally an assurance of return gaurentee is present as with all of the items i offer on e-bay.. I physically checked the coin for the presence of the 3 small rocks to the left of the lighthouse and they are distinguishable , although not so in the photogrpahs, also the beading is very clear on the revers, it is not toothed..Thank you all for your concern and your Dilligence..I will be offering more coins from my Fathers private collection as he is not well these days and has asked me to make listings for him..

    Sincerly

    Mark Martino

    I'm pleased that you found this forum and have made this statement, as it makes me feel even more at ease in this transaction, especially should the coin turn out to have been mis-attributed, and I have to return it to you....

    I will let the forum know the outcome in either instance...

    I'm sure, in either scenario, the forum members will have no trepidation in bidding on your items in the future, since you have been so forthright about this item, with your assessment and return guarantee....

    Also, speaking for myself and the forum, since I have met your father in the past... We all wish him well....

    Hello...to all of you that are concerned about the mule was being offered on e-bay.. Thank you all for your concern, and i understand your trepidation..as i am not a coin dealer..Please let me clarify the coins that are being offered are from my father James J. Martino, AKA Mr. Coins..out of Long Island N.Y. ,he has over 30 years experience as a coin dealer..and as to the coin in question, most definitally an assurance of return gaurentee is present as with all of the items i offer on e-bay.. I physically checked the coin for the presence of the 3 small rocks to the left of the lighthouse and they are distinguishable , although not so in the photogrpahs, also the beading is very clear on the revers, it is not toothed..Thank you all for your concern and your Dilligence..I will be offering more coins from my Fathers private collection as he is not well these days and has asked me to make listings for him..

    Sincerly

    Mark Martino

    I'm pleased that you found the forum and made this post here, as it may allay some of the questions that have arisen over this coin, and has also provided me with a little more piece of mind, should the coin turn out to have been mis-attributed, and I have to ask for a refund....

    I'm also sure, that in either instance.. and I will let the forum know the outcome.... there will be no trepidation to purchase from you in the future....

    Speaking for myself and the forum, as I have met him in the past... We all wish him well ......


  4. Sold to Gary schindler...does anyone know him or had dealings with him.

    He might like to read this thread. :unsure:

    That's me.....

    I know that there has been a question as to whether this was mis-attributed.. The seller did send me new pics, which did look like RB's... I send him images of both and he says it is like the RB reverse..... I know of his father, whose collection/stock this is from....

    He said that he will guarantee the coin with a return privilege.... I will make sure to put that into the paypal payment to cover myself...... and hope that I won't have any problems......


  5. The simplest method to distinguish between the 2 varieties is that on the more common variety, the D in DEI points to a border bead... On the scarcer variety, the D in DEI points BETWEEN 2 border beads......

    This specimen is only the 4th that I can think of that I have seen...... I've been searching for one for about 3 years now.....

    I'm sure it is not THAT scarce, but most collectors are not aware of the variety, and therefore don't give an otherwise VERY COMMON coin a second look....

    Since it has now been brought out in the open, and since many of you will now search for a specimen... I'll sweeten the pot as I still need a specimen myself.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a specimen with the wider ship/rim, although Michael Gouby doesn't seem to recognize it's existance... and will make the same offer for this coin too.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a proven specimen of F-479... which also may or may not exist, as well as a 1911, Gouby Obverse A, Reverse B...

    Contact me by PM, if you need to get in touch with me, and I'll give you my email address.... (several of you already are aware of who I am...)

    Thanks...

    PS: A HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL...... AND HAPPY HUNTING AS WELL.....

    I now have an F-479.... The offer still stands on the others......

    I have now acquired a specimen of the 1970 obverse 3 reverse K half penny (see attached)... Still looking for both 1970's with reverse I.......

    As I now have both obverse varieties of the 1970, I will offer $50 each for the FIRST specimen of obverse 3, and obverse 4 PAIRED with REVERSE I....

    Also, $50 for a circulated example of a 1911 half penny with Gouby Obverse A & Reverse B..... will pay more for an EF or better specimen......

    HAPPY HUNTING!!!!

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  6. The simplest method to distinguish between the 2 varieties is that on the more common variety, the D in DEI points to a border bead... On the scarcer variety, the D in DEI points BETWEEN 2 border beads......

    This specimen is only the 4th that I can think of that I have seen...... I've been searching for one for about 3 years now.....

    I'm sure it is not THAT scarce, but most collectors are not aware of the variety, and therefore don't give an otherwise VERY COMMON coin a second look....

    Since it has now been brought out in the open, and since many of you will now search for a specimen... I'll sweeten the pot as I still need a specimen myself.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a specimen with the wider ship/rim, although Michael Gouby doesn't seem to recognize it's existance... and will make the same offer for this coin too.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a proven specimen of F-479... which also may or may not exist, as well as a 1911, Gouby Obverse A, Reverse B...

    Contact me by PM, if you need to get in touch with me, and I'll give you my email address.... (several of you already are aware of who I am...)

    Thanks...

    PS: A HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL...... AND HAPPY HUNTING AS WELL.....

    I now have an F-479.... The offer still stands on the others......


  7. £100,000 winner here... was between 5p and £100,000... tempting offer, took the chance and won....

    If there's a payoff, I'd settle for £10,000 face value in EF or Better, 1860 and 1861 half pennies and half pennies... 10p on the pound.....

    But worth it for the fun I'll have in sorting the varieties...


  8. Do you mean the I of DEI, and not the D of DEI?

    So there are 4 types of 1970 proof halfpenny?

    1. 495A 21.5mm ship.

    2. As above with wider rim/DEI 'I' to bead.

    3. 495B 21.7mm ship.

    4. As above with wider rim/DEI 'I' to bead.

    Or it that wrong??

    I know nothing of the I to bead or I to gap.... I've only used the D in Dei as a guide..... and the difference is quite apparent when you compare them that way.....


  9. The simplest method to distinguish between the 2 varieties is that on the more common variety, the D in DEI points to a border bead... On the scarcer variety, the D in DEI points BETWEEN 2 border beads......

    This specimen is only the 4th that I can think of that I have seen...... I've been searching for one for about 3 years now.....

    I'm sure it is not THAT scarce, but most collectors are not aware of the variety, and therefore don't give an otherwise VERY COMMON coin a second look....

    Since it has now been brought out in the open, and since many of you will now search for a specimen... I'll sweeten the pot as I still need a specimen myself.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a specimen with the wider ship/rim, although Michael Gouby doesn't seem to recognize it's existance... and will make the same offer for this coin too.... I'll offer $75 for the first uncirculated example that is offered for sale to me, or $45 for the first circulated example offered for sale to me....

    As I only need ONE specimen, AND as the coin may not turn out to be scarce at all, I will not pay that much for a second specimen.... Anyway, this should stir things up a bit......

    I also need a proven specimen of F-479... which also may or may not exist, as well as a 1911, Gouby Obverse A, Reverse B...

    Contact me by PM, if you need to get in touch with me, and I'll give you my email address.... (several of you already are aware of who I am...)

    Thanks...

    PS: A HAPPY AND HEALTHY HOLIDAY SEASON TO ALL...... AND HAPPY HUNTING AS WELL.....


  10. Does anyone have a 1903 open 3 penny? could you post pictures of it if you have? I am sure this topic was discussed before but I can't seem to find where, when I search back in the archives.

    Here you go.....

    CLOSED 3 with a curved down top & a ball end foot .... center bar points down to ball.

    OPEN 3 less curved top & bottom loops .... no ball at end of foot center bar points along centre line.

    Thanks Bronze and Copper collector,

    Once again you have been most helpful, would I be able to use these pictures for reference on my new up (currently in build) website?

    If so what shall I put bellow the pictures/ Courtesy of "............" ?

    Regards,

    Hus

    Use whatever you need..... Let me know if you need anything else that I might have..... Pictures that is.. not the coins themselves... LOL!!!


  11. Does anyone have a 1903 open 3 penny? could you post pictures of it if you have? I am sure this topic was discussed before but I can't seem to find where, when I search back in the archives.

    Here you go.....

    CLOSED 3 with a curved down top & a ball end foot .... center bar points down to ball.

    OPEN 3 less curved top & bottom loops .... no ball at end of foot center bar points along centre line.

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  12. I personally prefer a brockage with a date, or a unique obverse (such as 1 or 1* on the Bronze series)..

    Here is my 1878 Penny Brockage..

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    Here is an example of a scarcer type brockage.... It's a 1961 penny with the OBVERSE struck through a stuck fragment of the trident area from the reverse of another penny... The brockage area (the area of the struck through fragment is incuse).....

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  13. It's a very poor example of a 1797 penny. The first N is there, but corroded away. It's value is negligible.
    Can I just have a slight whinge about this reply. When we start collecting coins, we all start with pieces that are pretty much worthless. Although the original poster does not appear to have taken what could have been construed as a putdown personally, a more sensitive soul might. The sniffy attitude of existing collectors was one of the major problems I encountered when starting to collect coins over 40 years ago. Beginners need nurturing if our great and absorbing hobby is to grow.

    To Tomthumb I say, that coin has every bit as much history, if not more, than a similar piece in uncirculated condition - it just doesn't have the value. If you stick with it, you will acquire better coins but you will always remember those, sometimes barely recognisable pieces which kindled your interest. Hang on in there!

    AMEN to that!!!!!!!


  14. It's apparently not THAT rare, although admittedly still scarce...... I've owned about 8-10 over the years, between upgrading etc.... and have found 4 or 5 of them...... All in varying condition, from a well worn good to a nice EF+ (US grading standard).....

    Much like the F-14, Scarce but not rare....I've also owned about 8-10 of those, and have found all but 3.......

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