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  4. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    I'll defer to those better acquainted with the series and its intricacies.

    However, although it defies conventional wisdom and logic, to me at least, it looks most like a 8/9.

    Much as Bramah states (in extrapolation), the most likely source of the line to the right between the upper and lower loops of the 8 would be an underlying 9.  The knob within the lower loop on the left side, although potentially from either a 3 or a 5, could also be from a 9. The slight curved line within the upper loop lower right side, could be from a 3, but also and to me, more likely a 9.

    A strange conundrum to have an earlier year recut over a later year, yet not impossible.

    “When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

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    23 minutes ago, jelida said:

    The problem is that there is no sure way to differentiate between an inverted V and die fill of the crossbar of the ‘A’.  We often see impaired bars to the letters E, F for example and accept them for what they are, but if the same happens to the bar of the ‘A’  we see it as an overstrike. There is no way of knowing, excepting that perhaps in a very high grade coin a microscope might show an undeniably formed edge where the bar should be. Otherwise it’s wishful thinking. I know, I do it too.

    Jerry

    Agreed.

    The only reason I mentioned the A was because, if I did not, someone else would almost be sure to mention the weak/missing crossbar, perhaps thinking that I had missed it.

    My primary enquiry was regarding whether or not the repunched R & I were previously known.

  7. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    29 minutes ago, secret santa said:

    I have in my own collection a similar example regarding the A/V. I have described it as follows:

    there is a clear and sharp but very thin crossbar to the A, possibly as a result of the A being repaired with an overstruck inverted V punch, leaving the the faintest but sharp remains of the crossbar, similar to the residual 8 of the 1861 F30 6 over 8 (see below under 1861 F30). The cross bar is barely visible in the above photograph but clearly and sharply visible at an angle under a magnifying glass. 

    1934385356_1860F10invVzoom.JPG.a3b7d4f0ca525401289816bf8911e734.JPG

    Hi Richard,

    Is yours also on an F-10? Asking because I don't see the repunched R or I.

     

  11. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    I'm not sure if this has been reported before.

    An 1860 F-10 penny with a repunched R & I in VICTORIA.  Second punch on both is at a slight angle to the first.

    Additionally, in the image, it appears that the A in VICTORIA is an inverted V. I believe that to be a false impression of the photography. Quite candidly though, I can't really tell if the crossbar of the A is just crud, very faint, or actually missing.

    Pictures to follow.

    Your thoughts and opinions please.

     

    1860 F-10 R over R, I over I OBVERSE reduced.jpg

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    I am posting close-ups of the back of Victoria's head and of the base of her bust.

    On both specimens there is s distinct gap between the back of Victoria's head and the B of Britt, thereby precluding it being an obverse 6.

    Upon examining the base of Victoria's bust, I see no trace of LC WYON appearing in any position which would indicate either obverse 2, 3, or 4.  Ergo, by eliminating the other obverses and by having the space where it would be without exhibiting the signature, I would determine both coins to be an obverse 5. 

    Coin 1, behind Victoria's head

    Coin-01 close-up behind head.jpg

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    5 minutes ago, secret santa said:

    You sold me this penny  as probably the first suggestion of the existence of the F27. You'll see that the top of the gap between helmet plume and head is very narrow and appears to me to be smaller than your examples. But it's a brave man that makes a firm decision.

     

    1704788832_1861F27rev.thumb.JPG.2589c5072b29054a35bd5a153bf1b5c7.JPG

    I remember that coin Richard. It was sold to me by Laurie Bamford, with the tickets from the Freeman auction as Michael Freemans F-27. THAT coin I'm sure of.

    In rexamining my posting, I'm now leaning toward the 2nd coin being more of a possibility of being a reverse F with the narrow gap. I'm a little more hesitant with the first coin now.  At least I have an undisputable F-27 in my collection.

    I'm just re-reviewing coins I put aside a long time ago as possibles. Still learning, still searching for varieties, and still looking for an F-19 (among others)

     

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  22. Posted · Edited by Bronze & Copper Collector

    I have 2 pennies that are extremely poor condition that I think might be reverse f's.

    Both obverse 5's.

    It might just be wishful thinking. Or simply going blurry eyed looking at minutiae on myriad coins.

    Any and all opinions appreciated.

    Thank you.

    Coin 1 reverse

    Coin-01 reverse.jpg

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    37 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

    Note to self: look harder. :lol: 

    I thought the die crack above the R matched but can now see it's in a different place. I don't see a flaw in the forehead where I would expect to see one for obverse 5 though.

    Obverse 5 does not always display the flaw in the forehead, however every obverse 5 I have seen has the scalloped top center leaf, whereas I have never seen that top center scalloped leaf on any other obverse than on an obverse 5.

    I would not necessarily use the die crack above the R as a determinant, however I believe that there is enough other evidence to confirm the obverse as an obverse 6.

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