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  2. Posted

    10 hours ago, jelida said:

    I’m really not convinced that Facebook offers the useful archive of information going back years that the forum does, and its excellent search facility. However I don’t use Facebook for coins…..any particularly recommended groups?

    Jerry

    They all seem to be platforms for selling rather than educating

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  6. Posted

    1 hour ago, kai1998inc said:

    That is seriously rare! Only 3rd known example I am aware of, after Rogers example, and my own example.

    It's likely that David Magnay also had at least 1 example, but I am unsure where the piece might now be, or if it could be this example, or my own.

    Bought from USA a few years ago, see if I still have a record

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  8. Posted

    On 6/26/2023 at 7:18 PM, copper123 said:

    Hey there some of us have only a couple of these coins - it would be great if a full or near full set appeared in pics on here so that I knew what I was looking for.

     

    IMG_20230628_121443.jpg

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  9. Posted

    1 hour ago, copper123 said:

    Hey there some of us have only a couple of these coins - it would be great if a full or near full set appeared in pics on here so that I knew what I was looking for.

    Maybe subfolders for different collections of coins, not individuals, as any identification data will get lost as the topic expands, for example 

    SG Onions

    Coin boxes

    Cardboard Coins - Peacemaker,

                                   - Golden dreams .....

    etc...

    Would make it easier for new varieties to be identified and images to be shared

  10. Posted

    9 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

    Although I reckon the NGC example above is a genuine 4/3. If you blow the pic up, you can see the usual details.

    The one offered by Noonans is taking the proverbial. 

    Agreed, no evidence of top of 3 going through top of 4. In my experience if you tilt a genuine 4/3 you will see the 3 quite clearly.

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  16. Posted

    18 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

    I actually bought the Copthorne 1874H F74 penny in 2016, which is an example of a "specimen" strike. Although I only went on what was said. In truth I'm not actually sure either way. For all I know it might just be a F73 in a decent state of preservation. There's nothing specific to mark it out as anything special. Although if necessary I've no doubt I'd still be able to pass it on as a specimen based on past acceptance. See what you think:-

    specimen rev cropped.jpg

     

    specimen 18 cropped.jpg

    I think any coin struck to such standard, if not proof, would fall into that category.

  18. Posted

    18 minutes ago, oldcopper said:

    Is that top one ex-Baldwins (which they sold as a proof) then ex-Roland Harris, but looked artificially bronzed? Nice looking coin.

    And presume you mean that the 1839 IOM halfpenny shares the same obverse, as there was no 1839 Jersey halfpenny and they have an ornamented fillet in the headband?

    The Copper bronzed currency penny is not the Baldwins coin, had it several years before, if I find the record I will pass it on.

    I have had several over the years, but none from Auction or notable collections.

    A few years since I last looked at notes, memory fades, you are right it is the IOM CHP1839.

     

  20. Posted

    11 hours ago, Menger said:

    An early, proof-like strike still deserves a premium though. Indeed, it may be more scarce than a genuine proof.  So I don’t steer completely clear. 

    Expanding on this theme of early strikes, a few things I have read over the years would have these early strikes looked out in a different light, although not true proofs they are referred to in several books to be select in production and therefore of similar quality to proof coinage and in some cases as 'specimen'.

    These coins would probably be used in gifts and for marketing showing quality and detail, most commonwealth or dependent countries had coinage struck by the Royal Mint, some independent countries did also.

    There are also pyx records of currency coinage undergoing the same scrutiny as proof and precious metal coinage.

    I would reference Pecks, and Gruber before, with regard to Copper Pennies and Halfpenny references following his listings, recorded as bronzed currency coinage, and would cite the Colin Adams collection for numerous examples.

    Hocking with regard reference to coinage struck for record, usually regarded as Proof.

    Montagu with reference to CP1857 Proof, slabbed as 'Proof like' by NGC.

    I am sure collectors of other denominations could come forward with examples of their own.

    This would then bring about the question, which is rarer, the Specimen or the Proof.

     

    1839 Proof sets were struck on order up until the 1853 set became available, the 1839 Halfpenny is the same Obv die as used on Jersey currency coinage of that date, no currency Halfpennies were struck for the UK in that year, and maybe once initial orders had been satisfied the dies were used for that purpose.

    This caused 1841 Halfpenny and Penny replacing the 1839 Coppers within the sets, and for a short period, the the 1841 and 1843 Halfpennies dies were adjusted to 1839,

    It is possible a similar action was initiated, maybe achieved on the Penny, Bramah references a 1841 copper penny with a crescent under the 4, the beginning of an 8, or just maybe a 3.

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  21. Posted

    I agree everyone is entitled to express their point of view, but this view also extends to how the Government spend our taxes,

    I believe He is worth circa £30 mill and have read recently He is in court with HMRC trying to avoid a £5 mill tax bill, now that would go a long way to helping those He wishes to defend.

    Unfortunately I feel He is just another one of these smug A, B ,C etc..through to Z listed celebrities telling everyone how things should be done whilst doing everything to avoid paying into the system themselves. They do all the FREE charity events on TV, Red Nose, Telethon and the like, asking us for contribution towards many worthy causes which the Govt use our taxes again to top up, but I have yet to see any of them hand over a personal cheque during proceedings.

  22. Posted

    55 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

    Anyone else noticed over the last 12 months that more and more Copper and Bronze pennies are being sold that have been cleaned and dipped in TONING FLUID.

    There has always been a few and a collection sold at auction about 12 months ago had a lot in ,that i do know as returned three.

    However there are now dozens which IMO means that maybe some sellers are not doing it to the odd one but doing it intentionally to increase the sale price which in some cases has been ridiculous.

    I have put the links to show the cleaning and toning fluid due to being able to use the magnifier and not to target the two sellers as lots of coins not just on eBay are the same.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354391557616

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165877079811

    Maybe some collectors dont mind and prefer them to look this way ,although maybe some especially new collectors dont know.

    So very obvious to an experienced collector, condition of the coin is not consistent with lustre/tone

  23. Posted

    Clashed dies. The Striking surfaces have come together without the planchet (Bronze blank) in place, the raised portions have been struck onto the opposing die and resulted in the features described.

    The line between the lighthouse and Britt's  hand is Vicks cleavage line, a faint outline can be seen of Vicks face just above.

    The other lines described are the folds in drapery

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