oldcopper

Interesting word salad cut and pasted no doubt. Your comment hasn't got anything to do with being "critical", but it implied that "both sides do it so it's no big deal" Thus rather missing the point. And of course no one's talking about the concept of conflation per se, they're talking about what has been conflated and whether it is appropriate. That was the whole point of this Lineker story. If you can't see that.....

He's not saying conflation is wrong, he's saying this example of conflation is wrong. An easy to spot difference I would have thought.

Fair point, but for Gary to even suggest the government "lack compassion" is a strange take when most if not all dinghy travellers are manifestly not refugees, they aren't fleeing war-torn countries, they're paying their way across Europe, then when in a safe country (France) await unauthorised travel across the channel. The obvious point to me is that it is nothing to do with Gary or anyone else's "compassion" - the concept has been shoehorned into a political attack on the Tories. But the Tories have been stupid. There was never a problem deporting illegal immigrants before - every government has done it without anyone blinking an eyelid, including Blair and Brown of course. For some reason the Tories have allowed this to get out of control while promoting pantomime policies like Rwanda that would never work on any large scale, even if they could undertake it. The only takeaway from this mess that I can come up with, is that the government actually have no problem with mass illegal economic migration. But just talk tough and pretend they do. The globalists want open borders, the globalists lend us finance, so this happens - at least that hypothesis makes sense, nothing else does. When there are genuine refugees like Ukrainian women and children, you don't see them hitching a lift across the Channel! There are international frameworks to provide for them.

Sadly, I think his twitter feed does represent the vast majority of the BBC. As can be seen in the mass walkouts and subsequent climbdown by the DG. Polls show 75% of people disagree with Lineker's take on this - which shows that the BBC are not representative of the majority of the paying public. I'm surprised 25% have been so propagandised that they agree with him - open borders are completely unsustainable of course.

Which countries rid themselves of blacks throughout history? I know. It's lucky a certain person can't read this (or so he says) because he would be unable to give me a factual answer, because that would disagree with his dogma..

I hope people aren't being unfair to Gary. Full credit to him, Alan and Ian for fearlessly calling out Qatar, boycotting the World Cup and making very telling comparisons between Qatar's treatment of immigrant workers and illegal immigrants, and Britain's treatment of the same under the Tories. And good luck to Gary in his tax-dodging wheeze with HMRC - losing out on all that money from Qatar must have been a huge financial hit to him, and he must be upset that the tax he's going to save isn't going to be available for the NHS or some other worthy public cause. Still, it'll be going to a much better cause - himself. Great bloke!

You're absolutely right as you would say that because Linecar's saying an opinion you agree with, and he's using the Left's favourite tactic of comparing anyone who has a different and more sensible view to theirs as a "Nazi". You're right in your comfort zone there. So how many millions or even billions of people from poorer parts of the world should we let in? Is there a limit, if so where would you put it? Very few if any of these people currently crossing the Channel is a genuine asylum seeker as far as I can see - they have all travelled through several safe countries to get to Northern France from which they can then get escorted over the English Channel to a life of relative luxury in Britain. And they're nearly all men, but wouldn't genuine asylum seekers from war-ravaged places be to a large extent women and children? They're the more vulnerable ones. And most of them are Albanians and Indians. What a joke. Apparently in many cases the taxpayer-funded human rights lawyers tell them to play the homosexual card, and as a result, 55% of Albanians (Muslim country) are currently granted asylum here compared to 2% in France. Our system is infiltrated and broken and the government aren't interested in fixing it.

He joined Spink for several years in the mid-2000's until his tragic car accident, which killed his girlfriend and must have led to his early death. The SNC didn't last much longer after that. https://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v14n24a09.html

Thanks - he puts them on the same level, though the overdate must be rarer to a certain degree.

Thanks! Did he also say it was of similar rarity to the standard? I haven't got Bramah to hand at the moment and maybe my mind's playing tricks on me.

I don't think Peck really gave Bramah his due - perhaps subconscious rivalry? In the Spink Numismatic Circular of 1968 is a letter from a reader announcing a new discovery - A over N in the 1717 dump farthing. He also had a letter from Peck verifying this. But when you go to Bramah you'll see it's one of his main 1717 varieties, with the comment that it is of similar rarity to the standard non-overstrike. Peck died the same year (1968) so his faculties might have be lower than normal, but it seems that he wasn't or had never been aware of a major farthing variety in the only other 20th century book on copper coins.

The last 1860 pattern pennies I recall were in Spink auction Dec 2015, both bronzed beauties, one the Roman date in a curve. Fantastic coins.

It's the forgetting where you hid it that's the problem......

Wasn't something similar sold at auction (St James?) several years ago now?

I have to say the Wiener bust in not pretty, she looks a bit hard. I can't blame Victoria for rejecting it. The reverse would have been incidental as you say.

She dismissed the Wiener shilling bust(s) straightaway.

I don't know of any other bun head penny engravers, considering LCW is signed on both sides at some stage or another. The only other one that I know of was Minton for the rare coronet patterns. The legend and date varieties will have been down to the die sinkers.

You just rail away.

Talking of which, I wouldn't bid on their draped bust James II farthing, especially as its tie ribbons are long and hanging down, and you can see the other side of the cuirass. But apart from that.... Neither would I be tempted by their James II 1687/6 shilling though it's got good detail - it's the one from Sept 2013 DNW sale now brightly cleaned. I should know - I bought it back then, sold it a few years ago. As often happens nowadays, some people take a very reasonable appearance coin (dusky grey here) and turn it into something that might just have fallen out of a Christmas cracker.

Yes, it's funny the best 1918H pennies are also the worst!

It might be that these understrikes survive in relatively pristine condition as they were never issued for circulation. Alternatively someone got hold of a mint roll of these identically badly struck examples from the bank. Either way they all look closely related in terms of striking conditions as they are all similarly under-struck, with the same amount of trident, knee missing, weak bust etc so likely from the same batch. This suggests the striking pressure was under-par to exactly the same extent for a sequence of strikes, and must have been set wrongly, either as an economising experiment or just a simple mistake.

Interesting. I've just looked at the DNW archive and strangely all the BU or NBU ones (of which there are several) are weakly struck missing part of the shaft etc whereas the less lustrous or non lustrous ones are all much better struck. Which is the wrong way round! The best one of the properly struck ones does have a bit of lustre, but the rest are brown.: https://www.noonans.co.uk/auctions/archive/lot-archive/results/338608/?keywords=1918H+penny&x=0&y=0 I wonder if a batch of weakly struck examples failed Heaton's QC and were put away and forgotten about. And here they all are!

You can tell it's an H as well by the terrible strike. Half the trident has gone awol probably due to the severe ghosting. I've got one similar, but your colour is unbeatable! I find the 18/19 H's have paler lustre than the KN's which are deeper orange when still lustred, from the few I've seen.

I vaguely remember plastic facsimile coins when I was young. Forget how realistic they were and they went in the plastic cash till our grandparents had. Ting! Draw shoots open!