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  1. oldcopper

    More Pennies

    If you go to Mark's archive icon (mid-right of home page), you can see when he last sold it, (List 9, circa 2004/5?) for £37,500 - so the price asked has nearly quadrupled in the meantime (£135K). I suppose it's worth chancing an arm, depending on whether anyone wants it that badly. But not so far. I will say the stain behind the head is a slight distraction - perhaps I'll wait for a better one!! Has anyone seen the prices for the St James Ed VII sale today? Go to their website and click on "bid live" then on "continue" then the "250 lots" button. Strange to say, the only coin I was tempted by actually went for a reasonable price, the 1902 LT halfpenny (£360), not that I bid for it or anything else in this auction. Some other prices were truly amazing; the power of slabbery! Fancy a couple of Ed farthings for >£500, anyone? Or a currency crown for >£3K?
  2. oldcopper

    Toning while slabbed

    Aka Sebaceous Pete....tiny white and oily flecks, can't be anything else. Not putting anyone off their lunch am I? If you cut the human element out of coin collecting, it wouldn't be an issue!
  3. oldcopper

    Toning while slabbed

    In my experience (well, bitter experience in some cases!), the key agent in spotting a coin is...….dandruff. Tiny skin flakes are deadly, especially on a proof or lustrous coin if left for any length of time. I always try to check my coins before I put them away after viewing: at least the white flecks show up well at certain angles. Then I dab off with a cotton glove, or if it's still sticking, a very light application of a toothpick. So if a coin were slabbed with a tiny skin flake on it, further deterioration is likely to happen. And you wouldn't know whether the coin was graded with that spot or not. I have a lovely 1951 proof set I bought about 20 years ago with fully gleaming bronze, but the penny over the years has developed two small but unsightly brown dandruff spots, both residues spreading from skin flakes which I spotted then removed - great, the most valuable coin of the set as well!
  4. oldcopper

    beautiful crown

    The production standard for these crowns was high - I get the feeling it's relatively hard to tell the difference between a proof (if they exist!) and a well-struck proof-like currency piece, and many of these coins look well polished.
  5. It would be nice if LC would list the "unsold" coins in their prices realised. I suppose it helps the vendors if they decide to resubmit it though, people will think it's a fresh coin. Ignorance is bliss!
  6. oldcopper

    it gets worse

    Provided people realise they'll get naff all if they try and resell them.
  7. Perhaps they mean £100-£200 for the 1902 florin? But maybe not - you should see the crown estimates! They're estimating a possible £3K plus for a 1902 crown (proof or currency: upper estimate + extras). Some anonymous American plonks a high number on a nice but common coin and kerboom...the price is supposed to go stratospheric. What a racket! I remember pointing out to Stephen Fenton a crazy estimate for a bog standard 1787 shilling (unslabbed, £700-800 from memory) a few years back. He just chuckled and walked on - he didn't explain or say it was a typo. Anyway, it didn't sell in the auction - fortunately no-one was that stupid!
  8. sorry, not next item: 1909 penny lot 118, 1902 proof halfpenny lot 109.
  9. Talking of ascribing imaginary numbers..... Baldwins of St James have done the same thing in their Edward VII collection catalogue 30 (on sixbid). They've ascribed "F168A" to the dot in ONE 1909 penny variant, whereas Freeman never listed this variety, certainly not in the 1985 update. While I'm at it I notice the next item is a 1902 matt proof halfpenny. They have a letter from the Royal Mint stating that he (Graham Dyer) was inclined to think it a proof and also a 1977 letter from Michael Freeman stating that he thought it was a proof as well. I find it odd then that Freeman didn't include it in his 1985 revised edition of his book. Perhaps he changed his mind!?
  10. oldcopper

    LCA December

    Just checked - the 1919KN actually went for £1600 hammer (September 2016). It looks a lot more lustrous in the picture than when I had it, may just be the lighting, and the distinguishing spot/stain on the reverse identifies the coin.
  11. oldcopper

    LCA December

    My mail sent before I'd finished, don't know which button I inadvertently pressed. Anyway, the vendor will probably put it in the next LC sale where it may well go for a good price. From recollection, I sold a 1919KN to a dealer (the one ex CC's Workman Collection) a couple of years back and it ended up in an LC auction, it didn't sell, but realised £1500, above estimate, in the next, so that shows the fickleness of the auction world. Also, someone should get a prize for transforming the horribly verdigrised proof 1868 quarter farthing in Pywell-Philips (Lot 831, £150 hammer) into the almost unrecogniseable coin (Lot 796) sold in this auction (£550). I'd like to know their secret!
  12. oldcopper

    LCA December

    Surprising for the 1827- I would have thought LC was a shoo-in for people paying silly prices for key dates, though it wasn't as good as the one they sold in September.
  13. oldcopper

    LCA December

    The 1827 was even more of a bargain in the Spink Pywell-Phillips sale when it went for £850 hammer. Someone looking to make a quick profit, perhaps they'll be slightly disappointed.
  14. Sadly I realise it probably doesn't exist but just having a happy thought it might turn up one day! Perhaps some of these vanished varieties were made but disappeared through time. It's a shame the Royal Mint doesn't seem to have many records apart from yearly mintage figures from the early 19th century.
  15. I'd love to see that 1836 penny footnoted by Peck (or was it Bramah?) as being in Australia "on good authority". Let's hope it wasn't a small silver one!