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I've not seen a commonwealth before, but double struck short-cross pennies are fairly common - there are usually a couple on eBay at any one time, sometimes with bizarre descriptions claiming rarity (one was being sold as a "sceptre-less penny" last week). I suspect they were struck in such quantities and with little or no quality control that if one fell out of the die it was just put back in whatever side up and whacked again. Interestingly there's a double struck example in the hoard memntioned in this thread: https://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/14678-nice-hoard-of-henry-ii-to-henry-iii-found-in-norfolk/ It's the top-most penny in the picture. I can't tell from the fairly low-res image if it's two sided or the reverse rotated for the second strike though.

https://tinyurl.com/yc23ymyf It's certainly not a Rhuddlan, but what is it? The reverse looks like NICHOLEONCA with a cross pommee and no stops or other punctation, which would make it class 8c, Mass 2150. Correct? I definitely don't think it's worth upwards of £106 in any case...

Almost worth setting up a dummy account and bidding it up to win. Then not paying because it's wrongly described.

It annoys me that he's going to rip someone off so I decided to message him anyway. Won't do any good, but at least I feel better...

If the bidders can't tell that's not a Rhuddlan from those images I suspect that they will just label it and stick it in their collection. Oh and I also note that this is his first auction. Under that name anyway...

Ah right. I was going to message him too, but no point.

An unidentified full-flan Rhuddlan Simon retrograde with a start price of 99p? Am I being overly supicious in not trusting this as far as I could throw it? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275741516660?hash=item403379a374:g:ScEAAOSw97tkDhac&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAA4CyTquAa%2F97BBtwMvOfbNj8%2FFNTLd4vOyUXdBdJo7u22PBB8R%2FA%2BuWMvNoVUKcPz6QqTL2KqQTJc%2BbJTS668TgbreA2DCF4PKiuvMR6khMg%2BjfB6c0jKdTU4wZQXeebJZXgRI381xFaKW%2BSS4YxhbCBJ4HQcPpGzbFO%2FW6mxSioWpGjJmLhE6vWK%2B14Mz0BKd30K%2Fd0NUXPjmzMi6juO7r3cRAgbGrPaANKY0DljCKifiJCPyjmDrqGwcO7tpy%2F71iqkw%2FjKkmP%2F8kDPEIvgSW7DYLZcMDsBO37LjvOI7aMx|tkp%3ABk9SR5jEirvbYQ

Thanks. Another short cross expert said it looked fine too so I did bid, but lost out at £312.99. Didn’t surprise me that it went for that much though. I’ll just have to be content with my cut half from the same dies for now.

Very interesting. I’ve just checked my tiny (9.5mm) commonwealth halfpenny and that appears to have same bumps and/or dents at 90 degree intervals. I can’t see them on the penny or half groat though.

Mint and moneyer?

It’s Henry III, not Edward I. The R on the reverse is quite distinctive and looks like a class Va to me.

I picked this one up as an unidentified hammered a couple of weeks ago. Obverse: HEИRICVS.R/EX Reverse: +HALLI.OИ.RVLA Same dies as Brand1020. It was very cheap for a full Rhuddlan in any condition (judging by recent auction prices where I've missed out on a couple) so I don't think anyone else spotted it.

Very nice indeed. Certainly puts my example and my 1653 shilling to shame, although the shilling does have the Commonwealh spelling error.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANGLO-SAXON-JOHN-LACKLAND-1199-1216-Silver-Penny-Short-Cross-Type/184455456382?hash=item2af266e67e%3Ag%3AfD8AAOSwO7NfZx1P&LH_Auction=1 😯

Ooh, that's nice, although I'm not sure what DNW are talking about with the Mass number of the obverse or class; the only OSBEI in Mass is 116 and it's a 1a5, unless it's a mule and/or Mass was wrong on the 1a5. Whatever, I sttill think that there are a number of differences with the eBay example: e.g. on the obverse the hand on the septre looks a bit weird (long fingers) as does the R of REX and the cross on the crown looks different. There are also what look like a couple of die flaws at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock and another above (his) left eye. Could all that be down to die wear? Or a poor photo? I don't know.

Well it's similar to Mass 116, a class 1a5 which is the only example in Mass with the reverse spelling OSBEI.ON.EXECES (Osbei instead of Osber). It doesn't look to be the same die pairing to me though and I'm not convinced it's right.

I had a Saturday job in the local pet shop for about three years in the late 60's and 70's and used to save anything interesting to exchange for cash at the end of the day. I remember finding one Churchill crown. I don't remember if I kept it, but I think probably not.

Yes they are legal tender but they have never been released into circulation, which is completely different.

The 1954 penny, 1952 halfcrown and Edward VIII threepences entered circulation accidentally though. 210k is a pretty low mintage for an intended circulation coin. The only one with a lower mintage that I can think of off the top of my head is the 1951 penny and even that was not (at least intentionally) released for circulation in the UK.

Has anyone purchased individual trays from Peter Nichols? I may need to swap some of mine out for different sizes.

As Jerry said in the post above, the two coins you've posted are both of such low quality they would be of zero interest to any auction house and if you listed them on eBay with a starting price of 99p I doubt you'd get any bids. One other thing; neither of your coins are hammered so they are in the wrong area. Try posting them and any other of your non-hammered (milled) coins here instead and I'm sure that you'll get plenty of help. But with much better photos or scans please.

If anyone is after a copy of 'The J. P. Mass Collection of English Short Cross Coins, 1180-1247', Amazon have at least one new copy at the very low price of £50 + £2.80 postage. Sounds almost too good to be true to me...

Thanks guys!

I think that these two cabinets may be the Mascle (standard) by Peter Nichols. The (rough) size and number of trays (14) look right as do the hinges (sometimes he uses long piano hinges and other times two normal small hinges per door), lock and brass door edge. Or could they be cheap copies? Does anyone have an opinion?