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Zo Arms

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  1. Hi Friends. I say friends because you've all become great friends since I discovered the forum some months ago. This is my first posting and I need some advice please. I have a BP1897B penny listed on ebay at the moment. It ends on 1st Jan 2018 at 20.17. as an auction. It's only had 46 views and currently has only 1 watcher. ( Apologies for not being able to post links or photos). It's not the best grade and I've started it at £40. I thought a 99p start unwise. My question is: Am I unrealistic with the starting price. If not and it only attracts 1 bid, would I have been better off putting it into an auction house? If so, do I end it early? Help, help, help please. What would you do?
  2. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    I agree that they appear to be in different locations but I think that that is due to camera angle. Using the same logic, from the photos, it could be argued that the angle of the E to a radial line, on both coins is different. And yet we know that they are the same.
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    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    It is this treatment exactly that I believe is the origin of many of the dot varieties. The visible evidence of die crack remedy. Plausible?
  4. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    Would you be able to re photograph please Bob? I appreciate that you said that it's a difficult operation but I seem to remember doubt cast in a previous thread.
  5. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    I've suggested that the crack appeared first. A hole drilled in front of the crack will delay its travel and prolong the dies life. I'm also suggesting that this is the reason for most of the dot varieties. 1897, 1909, etc. A man made hole or resultant dot, to address a die crack. Terry's double dot serif 1897 penny along a die crack could be a multiple attempt.
  6. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    Thanks for the photos Bob. You note that the apostrophe has a die crack. Would you say that the crack caused the dot or that the dot could have been drilled into the die to slow the cracks progression?
  7. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    That's the one. Thanks. What's your opinion of these dots all being man made holes to delay the travel of a die crack?
  8. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    I'm sorry. I'm that computer literate.😕 Would some other kind soul oblige please?
  9. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    Your 1897 high tide double dot serif. F148. And I've spotted that Ian (Alf) has an 1858 penny with a round dot and a die crack. I've entered 'dot penny' into the search bar and a host of coins appear, all with round dots and die cracks. So rather than the die crack forming the dot, isn't it possible that the dot was drilled in, to delay the die crack. And prolong the life of the die? Most die cracks appear around the legend, as do most dots?
  10. Dot and a die crack
  11. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    I think that, in conjunction with this thread, Terry's thread titled 1897 penny double dot serifs should be read. Two or more round dots following a die crack in the legend.
  12. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    Terrysoldpennies has an unlisted 1934 penny with a dot and a die crack. More pennies. Bottom of page 134. I must learn how to do links.
  13. A dot and a die crack
  14. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    More pennies thread. Top end of page 123.
  15. Zo Arms

    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    The idea came from a conversation around 40 yrs ago, with the guy that apprenticed me. How would you stop a crack from traveling in a pane of glass. Although not practical or easily achievable, a round hole in front of the crack would halt or delay it.. Do any of the other dot varieties have an adjacent die crack? The 1909 N dot, 1875 cannonball, 1946 dot dash?
  16. Sorry. You're right. Should have written it first. It's there now. Ready to be blown out of the water.
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    1897 dot penny. Advice needed.

    Hi. Welcome back. This is a thought only, open to discussion or ridicule, viewed from a carpenters point of view. Here goes. Reverse B. Quite happily churning out pennies. It's getting on a bit and a small die crack appears. You need to prolong its life for a while because the new reverse C die isn't quite ready. To prevent the crack traveling further, you drill a small hole just in front of it. This will stall the cracks line of travel. Not prevent it. Just stall it. A perfectly round hole. Or dot. Fill the crack in as an added form of strength, clean it off and away you go again. A dot penny. Hole fills with grease and gunk and becomes the shadow of the dot. You can see it on some 97's in the right light. Can't feel it as raised, but you can make out where it is. After a while the die crack continues its travel. The dot hole deforms as a result and you're left with Jerry's penny. But you've achieved your aim. You've prolonged the life of the die. The new reverse C is now ready and production resumes as before. I'm sure that this theory is full of faults and assumptions but it's food for thought. Bob.
  18. I've had some thoughts on this dot puzzle for quite some time now. Rather than clog up this thread, I'll elaborate on a thread I started back in 2017 entitled: 1897 dot penny. Advice needed. In the beginners area.
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    How can I sell 10Kg of old pennies?

    Thanks for the thought Mike. Offer made.
  20. Zo Arms

    UK Election

    That was on Mother Nature's 'to do' list. And in hand, as you wrote that post. She's having a bloody good go at it. That'll teach us. Not.
  21. Zo Arms

    1945 3d Discovered

    And far easier to find, if it gets dropped.😁
  22. It's yours Sir, if you'd care to message me. Bob.
  23. I think that the existing bronze population is diminishing daily. Going to melt. I've read a post from Rob, that he picks out the obvious ones, open 3's, 169's, etc. The rest are melted. Paddy advertised back in November, 43kg combined bronze, that , in the end went for melt. All the good stuff being put aside. As you know, I'll buy bulk via eBay, at slightly above melt price, hoping for something tasty. Generally to no avail. The rest go to melt. I'll not eBay them because I'll end up buying them back at some point, from an ebayer who's doing the same thing. However, on a positive note, all of the coins that I scrap are washers. Last year, a 275kg lot yielded a Gouby X. Recent lots, a Gouby X and a 164a. That's all. Even these were lower grade coins. Take the F98 I have listed at mo. Best I've found, but is it really of any interest. I doubt it. All the cream has been removed and is in the safe hands of collectors such as yourselves. I think that the available penny supply is reducing rapidly. 50 years of people sifting through coins and melting their rejects, to recoup their outlay, must have taken a huge toll on the remainder that the RM didn't recycle.
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