Jump to content
British Coin Forum - Predecimal.com

50 Years of RotographicCoinpublications.com A Rotographic Imprint. Price guide reference book publishers since 1959. Lots of books on coins, banknotes and medals. Please visit and like Coin Publications on Facebook for offers and updates.

Coin Publications on Facebook

   Rotographic    

The current range of books. Click the image above to see them on Amazon (printed and Kindle format). More info on coinpublications.com

predecimal.comPredecimal.com. One of the most popular websites on British pre-decimal coins, with hundreds of coins for sale, advice for beginners and interesting information.

TomGoodheart

Moderator
  • Content Count

    4,200
  • Joined

  • Last visited

  • Days Won

    40

Posts posted by TomGoodheart


  1. Oh, I'm not too worried about tooling.  It's very similar to Ashby 2206 and some of the later 'Briot' Brooker shillings such as 550-553, all of which have that odd beard and crude features.  Sadly I can't find the facility to upload pics from my laptop any more, but Rob's Sun coin shows the same sort of 'pared down' artistry.

    I guess I'll just have too be content that it fits the 'crude' and 'square' criteria!  😀


  2. Yes, it's only a very slim chance but .. I wondered if anyone here (dealers in particular) had encountered Shuttlewood 329 (SNC Vol CIX 2 April 2001 HS0329) in their travels?  The reason I ask is I'm still trying to pin down the provenance for this:

    20130421_G1_2.jpg

    I suspect it might be the aforesaid coin which is described as "Shilling type 4.4. m.m. (R), bust 1.  Sharp G1/2; N.2232; S.2843.  Untidy strike on a squarish flan.  VF for this. "  However that particular shilling wasn't illustrated and there were no coin tickets with the Shuttlewood coins and no weights or die orientation given in the descriptions!

     The only basis for my suspicions are that this coin was originally listed in a dealer catalogue along with Shuttlewood 323, so the timing is right.  Sadly I didn't buy it at the time and when I checked the dealer's assistant was unable to find purchase details for the coins in that list.  The dealer I bought it from subsequently has since ceased trading. 

    Not much to go on I admit and still inconclusive I know.  In fact the the only conclusive thing would be to confirm that this coin isn't the Shuttlewood one by finding that somebody else has that one (or did own it at any time after April 2005, when I acquired the coin above!) 

    Anyone?


  3. 7 minutes ago, Guest declan05 said:

    Hi.

    Can I ask you why this coin is fake please?

    Less a fake. More a copy.  It's a modern replica of a Victorian coin.  Comparisons with a genuine Victoria penny show numerous subtle differences that, with experience, are easy to spot. 


  4. 12 minutes ago, Ukstu said:

    Completely agree. Anything to do with coins has been completely pushed down the ranks of the forum with all this. I am sure there is other websites that cater for this sort of chat. Please draw a line under it. 

     

    As a member, I'm inclined to agree.  Larry has voiced his opinion and contributed some useful information about charities.  But this thread is getting to be more about semantics and I'm not sure it's going anywhere.  Please can we get back to discussing coins now?

    • Like 2

  5. Without meaning to be rude Stevo, but why do you want to slab it?  (You might have noticed that slabbing isn't that popular in the UK)  Careful handling will preserve it fine without a slab (and you'll be able to insect it better). I keep my Charles I shillings in a tray in a cabinet so I can pick them up and look at them when I wish.  Though a nice coin, it's not so valuable that it needs preservation.  And if to sell, the cost of slabbing would have to be offset against the gain you'd make selling it raw.  Just curious.  T

    • Like 1

  6. 3 hours ago, Bernie said:

    I won a 1873 coin from the USA for ~$76. It cost me an extra $15.55 shipping and a further $20.54 import charges, Totalling $112.

    These figures are probably given by US Ebay through their secure posting system. It is no fault of the seller, but if the import charge is wrong, I don't see what could be done about it. Perhaps this situation should be sorted out before buying coins for thousands of dollars !

    Yes.  eBay Global Shipping Programme supposedly makes it easier for buyers to pay import duties upfront.  Unfortunately they do not allow for the fact that there are no import duties on certain items (only VAT is payable on antique coins and none due on books) and so you can end up paying well over what is necessary without any way to recoup the costs.

    It used to be sellers could decide to join the programme but I understand it's now by default.  But I simply won't buy such listings now.  In the past where I've explained things to the seller some have been willing to arrange the shipping themselves at reduced cost, but it's a bit of a hassle for them really.


  7. Personally, I've bought numerous times from abroad.  Virtually all came via Royal Mail within the UK. 

    The rules are that for "collectors pieces of numismatic interest" (Tarfif code 9705 00 00) VAT should be adjusted so you effectively pay 5%.  However I've been charged the full 20% on occasions and though I've always got a refund eventually, you don't get compensated for the Royal Mail collection fee which is annoying where you shouldn't have been charged at all! 

    Parcelforce, I only ever had one item come by them (from York Coins in the US) and don't remember being charged extra.

    Similarly, several other coins including ones I've bought from Stacks and Noble have just arrived and I've not been charged anything.  It all seems very hit and miss really.

    VAT on import of coins rules.jpg


  8. Yeah, there are fashions in coin collecting, just as with anything else.  It's difficult to predict what will be desirable in 10 or 20 years time. 

    In my own field of Chas I shillings, the interest in legend variants, differences in harp design, even collecting by mint mark appears to have reduced considerably from the days of Brooker, Osborne or Sharp (all of whom collected during the 1970s and a bit further)  The current focus, as with many denominations/ reigns, is on quality over rarity.  It's hard to imagine many large collections of many similar, but subtly different, coins being assembled now, both due to the cost and apparent collector interest.

    I imagine when my collection is finally sold most coins will go for rather more than I paid for them.  But it's not going to be at a level where I could consider it to have been an investment.  OK, admittedly I didn't start with that in mind.  But I think the mind-set required for investment (buying what the market will want, not what you find pleasing) is quite different.  Like others, I collect for pleasure.  And hopefully other investments will cushion my retirement.


  9. I don't suppose you took photo of the coin in question did you?  Be interesting to see how different it is from what was advertised and what indications are that it's fake.

     


  10. 21 minutes ago, Ukstu said:

    Bang goes me saving for Christmas. I've just walloped £135 on a  Richard 1st Shortcross. Best portrait I've ever seen on a Richy and it fills a gap in my set. Only just got listed , would of been a shame to let it slip by ?

    s-l400 (1).jpg

    Nice one!  Though hardly an eBay's worst offering!  :P

    • Like 2

  11. 5 minutes ago, declan03 said:

    Hi Tom, the price increased by too much, but judging by other coins it was still a good buy. I will just hold on and see what else comes along.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hammered-Silver-Coin-Charles-1st-Shilling-c-1638-AD/372135394285?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649

    Ah, I wondered if that was it.  Yeah, you can trust that seller, though his (her?) coins always seem to go for reasonable amounts.  I suspect they have quite a few followers so less chance of a bargain.  It's always worth keeping a record of such things I think.  Then you can refer back and compare when something else comes up you like. 

    My coin of that variety?  I bought my original in 2004 and didn't manage to find one I liked better until 10 years later!  Not that they are terribly rare .. but I am awfully fussy!  Then I bought another because I liked the provenance.  Silly hobby really!  :P

    • Like 1

  12. I noticed that that particular seller has a lot of properly attributed stuff.  S/he is confident enough to state stuff like 'sterling silver' 'halfpenny token' etc.  So when they are just 'detecting find' it rather rings alarm bells.  No, I don't know why for the sake of a couple of quid they wouldn't just chuck the fake in the bin, but it's a lesson that it often helps to check what else people are selling before you bid.  If it looks too good ...  maybe it is?

    • Like 1

  13. 33 minutes ago, Rob said:

    That's the one thing you don't want. Coin collections are a personal thing. They will probably buy something that is overpriced and in a grade that you will want to improve on. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder etc.

    Yes, I'd always rather have cash and pick my own coins!  Having said that, it can be fun if people give you change from their travels if you enjoy coins generally.  But most of us here have chosen or had to narrow down to specialise in one particular area (though that can be as broad as coins of a particular metal, or as narrow as one denomination from one particular reign, or coins from a particular year)  Those sorts of coins you need to choose for yourself!

    • Like 1

  14. I find a cheap way of storing coins is acid free paper envelopes Sophie.  Not as handy as the transparent plastic ones, I admit, but simple to just pop a coin in (particularly if it's a 'minor' in the collection and you're unlikely to want to re-examine it very often) and you can just write straight on them as to the contents..  I had a check and Chris P doesn't seem to have any but Colin Cooke do at I think £3 for 100.

    Acetone? As well as ebay, some chemists stock small bottles too.  I think I got mine in Cox & Robinson.

    Traditionally, collectors used to use small paper discs (we call them 'tickets') to record the details of their collection ... and some, like me (and presumably Rob) still do.  (See Rob's thread on them here: Ticket Central)  I find them both handy and a nice link to a coin's past as a collectable when there are other tickets from earlier collectors with it.  Chris DOES stock those (card coin ID tickets)

    Oh, and finally, welcome and have fun!  :D

    • Like 1
×