investigating some family coins

[darrenj76 0]

Hello Predecimal community,

I am hoping you can help identify any sought after coins and values of them.

They were given to me probably 10 years ago and I have recently decided to find out more about them.

Firstly I shall apologise for the odd non English coin in with them and hope the image host is acceptable.

I scanned them all at once because I don't have a scanner myself,the image host has downgraded the quality but the originals are 300dpi I can upload them to a file host in their orignal state for download if necessary.

I have had the older coins identified by the colchester museum but have had none of them valued.

Thank you in advance for any help you can give.

Darren.

I have added a picture with grouping and numbers so its easier to know what people are talking about.

Here are the links to the 300dpi pictures if you need them:

http://www.freefilehosting.net/file0300

http://www.freefilehosting.net/file0301

Edited June 6, 2012 by darrenj76

[TomGoodheart 373]

For some reason I had difficulty getting the photos to display. But now I have ... the first group A, the pennies, not worth a great deal unless there's a scarce variety in there. Someone else can advise. No 1, the 1919 kn penny, might be worth a separate photo so people can assess the grade as these are a bit more popular in better grade (condition)

Group B, any pre 1920 silver coins are 92.5% silver and pre 1947 50% so worth money for that. The smaller coins such as 4,8,12, 13 look like maundy pieces. If you have a set (1,2,3 and 4 pence) for a particular date they will be more collectable. Ones like 3 and 7 that are toned, DON'T clean them! They look very nice as they are and cleaning generally ruins coins. Having said that, coins like Gp D #1 are pretty poor and cleaning can't make it much worse!

The gothic florin (C13) will be silver (1865 I think, but only poor condition and under £20 value) and possibly the coronation anniversary medal. The medal is likely to be of interest above the metal value.

Gp c is an interesting mix. Two Roman coins, an Elizabeth I sixpence (4) mint mark eglantine (flower) .. £50+? and an Edward Penny .. I think that might be minted at Canterbury ... someone else will need to pin down the exact details I'm afraid. The Henry I can't identify. Southwark (London) mint groat? In which case £80+

8 is quite nice, a Jersey 1/26th of a shilling. I can't make out the date but it's the first issue in copper from the shield design, £15-£60? The others the Guernsey 8 Doubles £5-£10, 4 Doubles £10?

Well, that's a start! Others will no doubt add their views (and correct me!)

[TomGoodheart 373]

As for 'sought after', well most things can be sold, though you might struggle to get much for the later pennies and the poorer 3pence. I can't see anything fantastically valuble there but I guess that's relative. Some people will say £80 is a huge amount for a coin, others will pay £ thousands and not blink!

Are you planning on selling them? Just that if you kept them, the smaller silver and other better condition pieces would make a start to a collection!

You've some nice enough maundy coins Bit more about Maundy coins here, though they could be regular currency too - I'm not to hot on the difference! - a couple of hammered to better identify (which is part of the fun of collecting!) a dump halfpenny (C9), model coin (D6) a very good spread from which to chose an area that might interest ... just a suggestion!

Edited June 6, 2012 by TomGoodheart

[darrenj76 0]

For some reason I had difficulty getting the photos to display. But now I have ... the first group A, the pennies, not worth a great deal unless there's a scarce variety in there. Someone else can advise. No 1, the 1919 kn penny, might be worth a separate photo so people can assess the grade as these are a bit more popular in better grade (condition)

Group B, any pre 1920 silver coins are 92.5% silver and pre 1947 50% so worth money for that. The smaller coins such as 4,8,12, 13 look like maundy pieces. If you have a set (1,2,3 and 4 pence) for a particular date they will be more collectable. Ones like 3 and 7 that are toned, DON'T clean them! They look very nice as they are and cleaning generally ruins coins. Having said that, coins like Gp D #1 are pretty poor and cleaning can't make it much worse!

The gothic florin (C13) will be silver (1865 I think, but only poor condition and under £20 value) and possibly the coronation anniversary medal. The medal is likely to be of interest above the metal value.

Gp c is an interesting mix. Two Roman coins, an Elizabeth I sixpence (4) mint mark eglantine (flower) .. £50+? and an Edward Penny .. I think that might be minted at Canterbury ... someone else will need to pin down the exact details I'm afraid. The Henry I can't identify. Southwark (London) mint groat? In which case £80+

8 is quite nice, a Jersey 1/26th of a shilling. I can't make out the date but it's the first issue in copper from the shield design, £15-£60? The others the Guernsey 8 Doubles £5-£10, 4 Doubles £10?

Well, that's a start! Others will no doubt add their views (and correct me!)

Wow thanks for the response and information tom,The henry viii coin i am told by the colchester museum is a southwark mint groat(bust 5) minted between 1547 and 1549 after henrys death during the reign of edward vi ...£80+? in such a poor condition? but then who am i to argue i am the student here.

I was told the edward I is a longcross penny and yes it is of canterbury mint, the museum said it was class 10? i assume that refers to the grading?

And also the elizabeth sixpence is a third issue they said.

From what i could see on the 1/26th of a shilling by squinting alot it is dated 1851 sound about right to anybody?

Thankyou!

Darren.

Edited June 6, 2012 by darrenj76

[darrenj76 0]

As for 'sought after', well most things can be sold, though you might struggle to get much for the later pennies and the poorer 3pence. I can't see anything fantastically valuble there but I guess that's relative. Some people will say £80 is a huge amount for a coin, others will pay £ thousands and not blink!

Are you planning on selling them? Just that if you kept them, the smaller silver and other better condition pieces would make a start to a collection!

You've some nice enough maundy coins Bit more about Maundy coins here, though they could be regular currency too - I'm not to hot on the difference! - a couple of hammered to better identify (which is part of the fun of collecting!) a dump halfpenny (C9), model coin (D6) a very good spread from which to chose an area that might interest ... just a suggestion!

I have considered selling them but the more im finding out the more attatched to them i am becoming,the model 1/2d coin was actually inside the two halves of the coin next to it which i have always been fascinated with as i have never seen anything like it before ,do they actually belong together or did someone just put it in there,the case is silver from what i can make out.

[Gary 7]

My input

Group A, Coin 1. 1919KN penny, grade F

Group B, there seems to be a complete 1897 Maundy set in there 1d, 2d, 3d and 4d (coins 3,4,7,12). All of them look to be of the same toning. Value for a set in EF condition would be around £70.

Group C. (9) 1724 Dump Halfpenny, Grade nearly F

(16) Silver Diamond Jubilee Medal 25mm worth approx £25 maybe more for collectors in this year of QEII diamond jubilee.

Group D. (4) German 1 Pfennig coin, looks like 1889 cannot make out the mint mark but worth no more than a couple of £'s

Edited June 6, 2012 by Gary

[TomGoodheart 373]

As for 'sought after', well most things can be sold, though you might struggle to get much for the later pennies and the poorer 3pence. I can't see anything fantastically valuble there but I guess that's relative. Some people will say £80 is a huge amount for a coin, others will pay £ thousands and not blink!

Are you planning on selling them? Just that if you kept them, the smaller silver and other better condition pieces would make a start to a collection!

You've some nice enough maundy coins Bit more about Maundy coins here, though they could be regular currency too - I'm not to hot on the difference! - a couple of hammered to better identify (which is part of the fun of collecting!) a dump halfpenny (C9), model coin (D6) a very good spread from which to chose an area that might interest ... just a suggestion!

I have considered selling them but the more im finding out the more attatched to them i am becoming,the model 1/2d coin was actually inside the two halves of the coin next to it which i have always been fascinated with as i have never seen anything like it before ,do they actually belong together or did someone just put it in there,the case is silver from what i can make out.

Cool. I've not seen anything like the coin/case, though people did split coins (smugglers' coins they are sometimes called) either to hollow them to maker double headed ones! Not sure if they belong together.

Oh, and I looked up the Jubilee medal. It's an official issue, by G W de Saulles after T Brock. They aren't rare but yours seems in decent condition and should get £30 on ebay if you sold it.

As to the prices, well, they are based on Spink's catalogues so .. just a guide. Selling is always hit and miss. You can be lucky and get several people who want something and even if it's pretty knackered the price will go up. Other days a real rarity will struggle to sell because nobody that knows there stuff is around!

I was told the edward I is a longcross penny and yes it is of canterbury mint, the museum said it was class 10? i assume that refers to the grading?

No, Class 10 is the design, depending on the style of crown and so on. Hammered pennies are a specialised area I've never studied but Eddy ones come in a wide variety of styles. There are even whole books about them!

From what i could see on the 1/26th of a shilling by squinting alot it is dated 1851 sound about right to anybody?

Yes. They were only minted in 1841, 1844, 1851, 1858 and 1861 before the reverse shield style changed. Not a terrible valuble issue but a curiosity, the odd fractional demomination that's not quite a halfpenny!

Edited June 6, 2012 by TomGoodheart

[Gary 7]

the model 1/2d coin was actually inside the two halves of the coin next to it which i have always been fascinated with as i have never seen anything like it before ,do they actually belong together or did someone just put it in there,the case is silver from what i can make out.

the 1/2d coin looks like the center section of the Model Halfpenny F804-10. It seems the size is right, the obv is right however the rev is wrong.

[darrenj76 0]

the model 1/2d coin was actually inside the two halves of the coin next to it which i have always been fascinated with as i have never seen anything like it before ,do they actually belong together or did someone just put it in there,the case is silver from what i can make out.

the 1/2d coin looks like the center section of the Model Halfpenny F804-10. It seems the size is right, the obv is right however the rev is wrong.

How strange? was there more that one type of issue to these model coins?

I also have an imitation copper half sovereign dated 1887 not sure if there is any interest in them,its of good grade. shame its not a real one!

Thanks for the info.

[Colin G. 147]

The model coin is as it should be, you can see a farthing example in the link below. They are tiny and can often be found in such cases/tins. Some of the tins were official issue, and included a full set, but I think many ended up in similar cases just because of their size. I have previously sold examples of individual coins for about £5-10

http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/Model%20Farthings.html

Example of set in a tin.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F840-1848-Prince-Albert-Husband-Victoria-Box-containing-Model-Coins-Rare-/350561661171?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item519f1a70f3

[darrenj76 0]

The model coin is as it should be, you can see a farthing example in the link below. They are tiny and can often be found in such cases/tins. Some of the tins were official issue, and included a full set, but I think many ended up in similar cases just because of their size. I have previously sold examples of individual coins for about £5-10

http://www.aboutfarthings.co.uk/Model%20Farthings.html

Example of set in a tin.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/F840-1848-Prince-Albert-Husband-Victoria-Box-containing-Model-Coins-Rare-/350561661171?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item519f1a70f3

Thanks Colin that's sloved that one for me much appreciated.

[darrenj76 0]

My input

Group A, Coin 1. 1919KN penny, grade F

Group B, there seems to be a complete 1897 Maundy set in there 1d, 2d, 3d and 4d (coins 3,4,7,12). All of them look to be of the same toning. Value for a set in EF condition would be around £70.

Group C. (9) 1724 Dump Halfpenny, Grade nearly F

(16) Silver Diamond Jubilee Medal 25mm worth approx £25 maybe more for collectors in this year of QEII diamond jubilee.

Group D. (4) German 1 Pfennig coin, looks like 1889 cannot make out the mint mark but worth no more than a couple of £'s

Thanks gary for the input, most appreciated would you say the maundy set is an F?

[darrenj76 0]

My input

Group A, Coin 1. 1919KN penny, grade F

Group B, there seems to be a complete 1897 Maundy set in there 1d, 2d, 3d and 4d (coins 3,4,7,12). All of them look to be of the same toning. Value for a set in EF condition would be around £70.

Group C. (9) 1724 Dump Halfpenny, Grade nearly F

(16) Silver Diamond Jubilee Medal 25mm worth approx £25 maybe more for collectors in this year of QEII diamond jubilee.

Group D. (4) German 1 Pfennig coin, looks like 1889 cannot make out the mint mark but worth no more than a couple of £'s

Thanks gary for the input, most appreciated would you say the maundy set is an F?

I have just been looking at the picture on my phone and it seems I may have a complete 1899 set to with not quite as much toning as the 1897 set but still a nice surprise

[darrenj76 0]

I just remembered that all the Victoria maundy money came out of the same envelope with London mint printed on it,is there a possibility that the sets maybe uncirculated especially the 1897 set as it is such good condition?

[Gary 7]

I just remembered that all the Victoria maundy money came out of the same envelope with London mint printed on it,is there a possibility that the sets maybe uncirculated especially the 1897 set as it is such good condition?

Darren, post better pics of the maundy sets and the envelope and we will let you know our verdict on the grade. I suspect they are better than VF.

[Gary 7]

The model coin is as it should be, you can see a farthing example in the link below. They are tiny and can often be found in such cases/tins. Some of the tins were official issue, and included a full set, but I think many ended up in similar cases just because of their size. I have previously sold examples of individual coins for about £5-10

http://www.aboutfart...0Farthings.html

Example of set in a tin.

http://www.ebay.co.u...=item519f1a70f3

Thats interesting Colin. I did not know these things exsisted. Thanks for the info.

[Peter 615]

You cannot retire on the proceeds but heck there is some history there.Value wise I think the forum has been over generous.The hammered and silver have bullion value.I love the George 1 1/2d...what has that bought over the years.Put em away and in 100 yrs time your family may thank you.

[Mongo 1]

Some nice coins there darren! Everyone else is lying, they are not worth much at all, I have over 3 weeks experience in coins, and I will give you £5 for the lot... Cash!!!

If you do not need the money, then I say keep em, take up the hobby and see if it captures your imagination. You can always sell them later on, if you decide collectiong is not for you

[darrenj76 0]

Some nice coins there darren! Everyone else is lying, they are not worth much at all, I have over 3 weeks experience in coins, and I will give you £5 for the lot... Cash!!!

If you do not need the money, then I say keep em, take up the hobby and see if it captures your imagination. You can always sell them later on, if you decide collectiong is not for you

Haha! thanks for the reply mongo,I have just used the camera at work sovwill be uploading some smaller groupings of coins that were done in macro mode so should be better, the maundy sets look very nice,and there are a few other coins of more recent date I have added probably not worth much but in quite good condition.

[darrenj76 0]

Some nice coins there darren! Everyone else is lying, they are not worth much at all, I have over 3 weeks experience in coins, and I will give you £5 for the lot... Cash!!!

If you do not need the money, then I say keep em, take up the hobby and see if it captures your imagination. You can always sell them later on, if you decide collectiong is not for you

Haha! thanks for the reply mongo,I have just used the camera at work sovwill be uploading some smaller groupings of coins that were done in macro mode so should be better, the maundy sets look very nice,and there are a few other coins of more recent date I have added probably not worth much but in quite good condition.

ok here is the first picture of the first 1897 maundy set

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Here is the other one of the first 1897 maundy set

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The second 1899 maundy set

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the second of the 1899 maundy set

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the first of the three silver hammered coins

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the second of the three hammered coins

More to come just going to get some dinner