Help me Identify these please :)

#1 obsuredbykep

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 08:36 PM

Hello.
I am selling a few different coins I have come across recently and do not know what these two are. If you can help identify I'd be most grateful!

The first appears to be Brass, weighing 13g. It's really worn, but you can make out a horse on the front raising one front leg, and on the reverse looks like the pattern seen on the reverse of an Elizabeth II Crown with a crown in the centre and the shields around it. It's only 3cm in diameter.

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The second is a thin coin. Poor quality as the other but looks quite old.

Side One: Image
Side Two: Image

I just want to know what they are, and what, if anything I should stick them on eBay for.

Thanks

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#2 bagerap

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:18 PM

The second coin is a Jeton, which was a counting piece. Probably of the type known as Crown & Orb, but sadly of little value in this condition.

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Posted 01 April 2012 - 11:19 PM

obsuredbykep, on 01 April 2012 - 08:36 PM, said:

The picture quality is not good I'm afraid.

The first one has an awful angle on it that makes the obverse (front) make you feel light headed when you try to study it!!! The reverse looks like crowned cruciform shields which appeared on GB coinage from 1662 onwards. Being brass it is probably a contemporary forgery of a halfcrown (weight should be around 14gms for a silver one so a worn brass one at 13 would be about right).

The second one is a jetton or "counting token". As for value, about 4p in scrap metal I'm afraid.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

I wouldn't have the cheek to sell them...Bin time.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 02:16 PM

The first has a horseback rider, with the reverse commonly used on English silver coins from Charles II onwards. However, I believe the same reverse was also used for Hanover? So that may be a clue.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 04:50 PM

The first piece looks more like a piece of Irish Gun Money.

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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:42 PM

yes it does, so would be a bit of value.
the jeton is a very common one, from around the same period as the gunmoney piece, but there were a few differant legends and designs.
Nuremberg Jeton of Hans Krauwinkel II - have a browse for those, they were made between 1536-1635
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