[Paulus]

numismatist, on 18 February 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Here is my fake I bought off Ebay.Their Legal Dept said I must
get a Court Order if over 45 days and you want the sellers
address . One thing I notice is that the FAKES seem to have
a weak Obverse beading from about 4 o'clock to 7 o'clock

Thanks, did you get refunded? That is another thing counting against mine then!

[Paulus]

argentumandcoins, on 18 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Paulus, on 18 February 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

numismatist, on 18 February 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

http://www.give-a-bu...ditorial29.html

Heres a bit about these Regards Michael

Thats a great article, thanks Michael

So I will have to go down the expert/dealer examination in hand route again (still got my dud Charlie one shilling), would anyone care to offer up their services? I have just informed the seller that I am having it looked at.

I would take a look for you but I think you would be better off with a professional report as the implication from Downies is that they will do nothing without one.
Robert Matthews from Coin Authentication Services is your man. I don't think Downies or anybody else can argue with his qualifications.

Thanks, is he a member on here by any chance?

[argentumandcoins]

Paulus, on 18 February 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

argentumandcoins, on 18 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

Paulus, on 18 February 2012 - 12:31 PM, said:

numismatist, on 18 February 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

http://www.give-a-bu...ditorial29.html

Heres a bit about these Regards Michael

Thats a great article, thanks Michael

So I will have to go down the expert/dealer examination in hand route again (still got my dud Charlie one shilling), would anyone care to offer up their services? I have just informed the seller that I am having it looked at.

I would take a look for you but I think you would be better off with a professional report as the implication from Downies is that they will do nothing without one.
Robert Matthews from Coin Authentication Services is your man. I don't think Downies or anybody else can argue with his qualifications.

Thanks, is he a member on here by any chance?

No, but a quick google search will direct you to his site.

[azda]

Paulus, on 18 February 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Peter, on 18 February 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Nick, on 18 February 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Do you have any better pictures of the coin in question? From the lowish grade pictures I've seen, it does appear to share a number of scratches/bagmarks that were identified last time fake Northumberland shillings were discussed.

I agree it looks like a fake which has been accepted into the market and retailed by an honest dealer.Oh dear.

This is a bit of a nightmare isn't it ... Downies stated 2 or 3 times that if I obtain a certificate that it is a copy, from IBSCC, within 12 months even, they will refund the seller who should refund me etc etc

So, has anyone tried/heard of IBSCC (see email from Downies above)? To be honest I'm no longer sure that if they passed it as genuine I would be satisfied!

F**k that, go straight to the horses mouth and send it back. There's far to many question marks against this
Coin. If in 12 months it turns out to be fake and Downies refund the ebay seller do you actually think he's gonna refund you in 12 months? Send it back before iits to late. Just my opinion, its your coin, your cash and your call.

[numismatist]

In answer to Paulus question, NO cannot get my money back as its a year ago
since I bought it, and Ebay refuse to tell me the sellers Name and Address
(ebay name was anthony.0177 and he say he wont tell me his name but says he
bought it from ebay name xxxcoinsxxx ) I think " azda " has the best advice
if you paid by Paypal...start a claim with them, BUT make sure you are in a
position to fax them a dealers headed paper saying they believe the coin is
a fake BEFORE you start making a claim, because they only give you a few days
and if they dont get it on time they close the case and you loose out.

[Gollum]

I'm not up on all this stuff, but can't you use the sale of goods act in the uk ads well, I thought I read somewhere that you have up to 6 years with that to claim.

[HistoricCoinage]

numismatist, on 18 February 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

and Ebay refuse to tell me the sellers Name and Address
(ebay name was anthony.0177

You can find out the name and address of any eBayer, it's part of eBay's policy. It's very easy and bear in mind that they, in turn, will get your details too - but this shouldn't be a problem if you've already bought from them.

[numismatist]

Regret thats not so..Yes okay for 45 days after purchase..
I had long conversation with Ebay Trust and Safety Dept
they said I must get Solicitor to write to Head Office in
Luxembourg. Because of costs I wrote myself, they explained
they would only ever give such details if an actual Court
order was obtained ordering them to give those details.

[Paulus]

Update on my shilling:

I have sent it off to CGS for authentication and grading as suggested, and informed the seller, should hear in 30 days or so and I will keep you all informed on here.

Out of interest, here is another for sale on Baldwin's bearing the same missing tops and beading:

http://www.baldwin.c...763.html?usrc=1

[numismatist]

The outcome will be very interesting to know. Hopefully the latest Baldwin offering is okay
as the second " G " is not broken which it is on the KNOWN !!! Fakes, though the the weak
bottom milling is worrying .

Makes me wonder why the BNTA like to keep all knowledge of fakes SECRET except perhaps to
their members.? It would be nice if someone who is a BNTA member explained to us collectors
just what steps are being taken and give us the reason for the hush hush approach they take ?

This is a Fake that Baldwins Sold some time ago and I understand they are very active
in taking steps to avoid them coming on to the market. It shows traces of the < coming from
the kings mouth but that would be easy to rub away .

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[numismatist]

This is my FAKE , too big the add to last post

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[argentumandcoins]

numismatist, on 08 March 2012 - 03:40 PM, said:

The outcome will be very interesting to know. Hopefully the latest Baldwin offering is okay
as the second " G " is not broken which it is on the KNOWN !!! Fakes, though the the weak
bottom milling is worrying .

Makes me wonder why the BNTA like to keep all knowledge of fakes SECRET except perhaps to
their members.? It would be nice if someone who is a BNTA member explained to us collectors
just what steps are being taken and give us the reason for the hush hush approach they take ?

This is a Fake that Baldwins Sold some time ago and I understand they are very active
in taking steps to avoid them coming on to the market. It shows traces of the < coming from
the kings mouth but that would be easy to rub away .

It isn't the BNTA that keep the knowledge sacred, it's the IAPN of which there are precious few members worldwide. As a dealer my access to the info is exactly the same as yours so you have to use judgement, experience and gut feeling when buying.
The only plausible explanation for secrecy is to stop the forgers from perfecting their wares by gaining access to the information, thin you may think but I couldn't possibly comment.