[Jimmy]

Surely I'm not the only one to notice? Are you all secretly bidding?
Feels dangerous to me without seeing it.

James

[£400 for a Penny ?]

The one that is up for sale 'no returns accepted', which may or may not have been mounted (the edge knocks) and may or may not have been cleaned ?

Got to be careful what one says these days, this is only my opinion.

If, James, this early in your collecting experience, you pay that amount of money for something you haven't seen, from someone who won't take it back and you don't know, I will hunt you down and club you about the head with a large fish.

A Salmon or Cod perhaps.

But you weren't going to were you, which is why you posted.

Oh, and dig the highly unbelievable sycophantic question.....

No returns ?

[azda]

It does look highly polished, and if you didn't realise, you can email the seller asking your question about a return if it has in fact been polished. I've seen a better one, near museum piece, but at 3k its a bit steep for me, maybe i'll ask the Frau to open her purse

[azda]

Now here's a Gothic Crown

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[Jimmy]

Does "no returns" mean that the Trades Description Act doesn't apply?
I would have thought legally there must be some instances where "returns" have to be offered.

And, no I am not going to bid a bundle on any ebay item. I have bought some cheap stuff such as a modern crown still sealed and UNC but would never be brave or foolish enough to bid anything like a three figure sum for anything!

Regardss to all

James

[£400 for a Penny ?]

I don't know anything about the trades description act, but if you look at his description carefully, he doesn't make any statements in terms of grading at all. Uses words such as 'average' and 'lovely'.

The thing about ebay is people see what they want to see and nothing else.

Still love it though, where would we be without it.

I've rang the fishmonger James - told him to stand down.

[azda]

Jimmy, on 10 March 2010 - 07:04 PM, said:

Does "no returns" mean that the Trades Description Act doesn't apply?
I would have thought legally there must be some instances where "returns" have to be offered.

And, no I am not going to bid a bundle on any ebay item. I have bought some cheap stuff such as a modern crown still sealed and UNC but would never be brave or foolish enough to bid anything like a three figure sum for anything!

Regardss to all

James

I think that mite run into 4 figures

[Flash]

Just to point out that eBay sellers cannot legally refuse a return under the distance selling laws, regardless of whatever wording they use. There should be a report listing link somewhere on his listing if anyone wants to do the honours.

[azda]

I think sometimes people just miss it out because they don't see it, i know i have

[choolie]

how about this proof up for sale sunday 21st
My link

[azda]

Stunning coin, is that on ebay?

[choolie]

azda, on 10 March 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

Stunning coin, is that on ebay?

no its up at lockdales coin auction sunday 21st March. the estimate is £4000-£5000 if you fancy it.

[azda]

choolie, on 10 March 2010 - 07:40 PM, said:

azda, on 10 March 2010 - 06:33 PM, said:

Stunning coin, is that on ebay?

no its up at lockdales coin auction sunday 21st March. the estimate is £4000-£5000 if you fancy it.

Wait till i check me wallet................Ummm skint lol

[reluctant_numismatist]

£400 for a Penny ?, on 10 March 2010 - 06:13 PM, said:

The thing about ebay is people see what they want to see and nothing else.

Still love it though, where would we be without it.

Not 'arf! I was cleaning out my cupboards a couple of weeks back and was going to throw a pile of comics that I've been carting around since my Uni days in the recycling bin, but on the spur of the moment thought I'd bung them on eBay to see what happened. Ok so a few have now indeed gone in the bin, but those that did sell got me 40 quid!

(Which has already been converted into additions for my collection courtesy of a fellow forum member. Now I'm looking around the house to see what else can be listed. I think the wife and kids are ok for now, but the cat and dog are looking worried.)

[Rob]

I'm not sure why Gothic Crowns attract such high bids. 8000 were struck which when compared with wreath crowns is only surpassed by the 1927 proof and 1928 currency, yet they sell for many multiples compared to the wreaths. Sure they are attractive to look at, but not rare enough to spend as much on them as people do. Any example in virtually any grade sells for more than an UNC wreath, even EF ones sell for three or 4 times that of a wreath (1934 excepted). Only a really choice UNC 1847 is worth paying a few £Ks for IMO. Though the 1846 or 1853 are clearly worth a bit more. I think wreaths are also overpriced given the mintages.

[Jimmy]

Thanks for not slapping me with a wet fish!

I really want that one going at auction, if I sold the house I could have that and a few wreath crowns as well but nowhere to keep them.

There is also a Victorian Crown listed which is actually a double florin! I guess you lot keep an eye on Ebay just out of interest and no fantastic bargain is ever going to escape everybodies attention except minerown (think its 1818 from memory) which looks exactly like one of the same date that sold a week or so ago. If it is the same one then I wonder why somebody floated it straight back out there? Caveat Emptor.

Idle thoughts of an idle man.

James

[Jimmy]

My last post seems to be missing a sentance in the middle about the 1818 crown.

It won't let me edit.

James

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Jimmy, on 10 March 2010 - 07:41 PM, said:

Thanks for not slapping me with a wet fish!

There is also a Victorian Crown listed which is actually a double florin!

It wasn't going to be a slap, I was thinking a big, heavy fish, BOSH - a single catastrophic knock down blow.

Interesting side story to that one, they used to call it the Barmaids ruin. So easy to be taken for a crown and then fired at the end of the night 'cos the till roll (or whatever they used) didn't add up.

Lovely period though, great designs.

[azda]

Its countdown for the Gothic Crown, 400 has his finger poised (on the fish) and his Heckler Koch :-)

[Red Riley]

Rob, on 10 March 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

I'm not sure why Gothic Crowns attract such high bids. 8000 were struck which when compared with wreath crowns is only surpassed by the 1927 proof and 1928 currency, yet they sell for many multiples compared to the wreaths. Sure they are attractive to look at, but not rare enough to spend as much on them as people do. Any example in virtually any grade sells for more than an UNC wreath, even EF ones sell for three or 4 times that of a wreath (1934 excepted). Only a really choice UNC 1847 is worth paying a few £Ks for IMO. Though the 1846 or 1853 are clearly worth a bit more. I think wreaths are also overpriced given the mintages.

My gothic in GEF+ cost £575, a few years ago mind. I'm not complaining, I think it's probably beaten the stock market. Personally, I think Gothics are dear not because of the mintage, but because they are that good - nothing else comes close.

[Rob]

Red Riley, on 11 March 2010 - 09:34 PM, said:

Rob, on 10 March 2010 - 07:07 PM, said:

I'm not sure why Gothic Crowns attract such high bids. 8000 were struck which when compared with wreath crowns is only surpassed by the 1927 proof and 1928 currency, yet they sell for many multiples compared to the wreaths. Sure they are attractive to look at, but not rare enough to spend as much on them as people do. Any example in virtually any grade sells for more than an UNC wreath, even EF ones sell for three or 4 times that of a wreath (1934 excepted). Only a really choice UNC 1847 is worth paying a few £Ks for IMO. Though the 1846 or 1853 are clearly worth a bit more. I think wreaths are also overpriced given the mintages.

My gothic in GEF+ cost £575, a few years ago mind. I'm not complaining, I think it's probably beaten the stock market. Personally, I think Gothics are dear not because of the mintage, but because they are that good - nothing else comes close.

If you just want an example of the design you might as well get a florin. True a mint state one will set you back well over book, but is worth it because they are much scarcer in mint state than the crown. I've only ever seen one in that condition and deeply regret not going higher.

[Red Riley]

Rob, on 11 March 2010 - 11:39 PM, said:

If you just want an example of the design you might as well get a florin. True a mint state one will set you back well over book, but is worth it because they are much scarcer in mint state than the crown. I've only ever seen one in that condition and deeply regret not going higher.

There is much more detail in the crown though, to the extent that they are almost two different designs. In my view the gothic crown is an all-time great and a 'must have' for collectors of great coin designs worldwide. Whereas the bulk of wreath crowns are likely to still be in the UK, I have a feeling that gothics will be widely scattered, and this in itself may have an affect on the price.

[Jimmy]

EBAY crown now over £200 and rising!

James

[£400 for a Penny ?]

Jimmy, on 17 March 2010 - 12:56 PM, said:

EBAY crown now over £200 and rising!

James

Can I just bump up Petition Crown's post of a few weeks ago ?