[davidrj]

I got outbid on this one,1867 penny

What do folk think is going on? a clashed die or overstrike on another coin?

[RLC35]

David,

That looks like a clashed die for sure. Look under Victoria's chin, you can clearly see the knee impression of Britannia, from the reverse of the coin.

[Peckris]

davidrj, on Jan 17 2010, 07:24 PM, said:

I got outbid on this one,1867 penny

What do folk think is going on? a clashed die or overstrike on another coin?

You were very sensible to let yourself be outbid. More than £30 is quite astonishing for a penny in that condition, not a key date.

[davidrj]

RLC35, on Jan 17 2010, 07:52 PM, said:

David,

That looks like a clashed die for sure. Look under Victoria's chin, you can clearly see the knee impression of Britannia, from the reverse of the coin.

Agreed, but what is going on between the ribbon and Victoria's neck? Reverse die looks knackered - three cracks plus an impression next to the shield

I thought it quite pretty but shocked at £31

[RLC35]

There is a impression below the bun and above the bow, that looks like it might be part of the impression of Britannia's arm...maybe the impressions you are referring to, may also be an extension of that impression. I also noticed the crack you were referring to from the edge of the coin thru the letters. It appears that the die was nearing the end of its useful life. I think you made a wise choice by not raising the bid. <ggg>.

[Red Riley]

davidrj, on 18 January 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

2 things. The reverse die is about to break up (see the crack around 'O') and the obverse die has clearly clashed with its partner at some time. What looks like a spider's web between the neck and the bun is a reverse image of the fabric around Britannia's waist. This is extremely common, so common in fact that a quick check of my collection shows that 5 out of 22 pre-1874 pennies suffer from it to some degree.

1867 is not that rare in the low to middle grades but is actually quite scarce in tip-top condition.

[azda]

Red Riley, on 18 January 2010 - 05:33 PM, said:

davidrj, on 18 January 2010 - 01:37 AM, said:

2 things. The reverse die is about to break up (see the crack around 'O') and the obverse die has clearly clashed with its partner at some time. What looks like a spider's web between the neck and the bun is a reverse image of the fabric around Britannia's waist. This is extremely common, so common in fact that a quick check of my collection shows that 5 out of 22 pre-1874 pennies suffer from it to some degree.

1867 is not that rare in the low to middle grades but is actually quite scarce in tip-top condition.

Lets remember the golden rule, a coin is only worth what you as a buyer or collector wants to pay for it :-) I personally quite like the coin, but not 30 quids worth :-)

[Red Riley]

azda, on 18 January 2010 - 06:44 PM, said:

Lets remember the golden rule, a coin is only worth what you as a buyer or collector wants to pay for it :-) I personally quite like the coin, but not 30 quids worth :-)

Had a quick dig around, and the price really isn't that outrageous. I'm clearly getting out of touch as I wouldn't have paid that much for it, but it looks like a lot of people are. Pennies are clearly flavour of the month and prices in the mid to lower grades are being dragged up by the fortunes being realised for top notch coins.