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Cor blimey, guv. Stone the bleedin' crows. Where'd you spot that beauty?
This is wonderful.
Much better than mine.
Hands off- I've gotta havit!
Quite pleased with this 1860 Farthing - Dies 1 and A I believe, so F496 - which came to me amongst a group of coppers at the market yesterday. A great upgrade for me.
Thanks both - this has settled it for me - a real 1655 :-)
Thanks for the advice Jerry, that’s very helpful and answered a lot of the things I was wondering about.
Thanks Copper123, will do! I guess there’s also more chance of finding what you want if you go earlier.
early bird catches the worm and all that!
Going back to this question, I'm wondering to what extent Court's estimates on several early 20th century scarcities, are accurate.
For those who are unaware, V.R.Court ran a short series of incredibly useful (and to this day still referred to) articles under the heading, "Major varieties of UK pennies 1902 to 1967", notably in the August and September 1972 editions of Coin Monthly.
Court's opinion on the mintages for these varieties (pre melt), are as follows:-
1902 low tide = 1,212,600 (sounds about right)
1903 open 3 = 37,300 (possibly slight underestimate?)
1905 F160 = 3,231,350 (sounds about right)
1908 F164 = 1,166,550 (sounds about right)
1908 F164A = 55,550 (yes, but see F176)
1908 F165 = 3,370,000 (sounds about right)
1909 F169 = 23,200 (sounds about right)
1913 F175 = 1,733,500 (given current availability, maybe an over estimate, or just not collected)
1913 F176 = 948,750 (as above)
1915 rec ear = 5,404,200 (maybe over estimate)
1916 rec ear = 16,129,850 (sounds about right)
1918H = 2,465,658 (probably about correct, but reported degree of scarcity in the immediate pre -withdrawal period may have been due to collector uptake)
1918KN = 1,195,142 (as above)
1919H = 4,787,556 (probably about correct)
1919KN = 422,044 (as above)
Mostly correct I'd say, but with a major discrepancy (in my view) between open 3 & 164A on the one hand, with F175 & F176, on the other.
If Court's figures on the 175 & 176 are correct, then it would suggest the vast majority met their fate in the melt, having not been specifically collected, except by default. Actually, that could well be the case given that there are a fair number of the extant population of 175's and 176's that are in high grade, whereas conversely that is manifestly not the case for the open 3 and the 164A.
Post melt, probably all four types are of roughly comparable rarity.
I personally think that's the answer. Maybe the experiment was conceived and initial dies prepared in 1914, but by 1916 there was just too much demand on the Mint's resources.
That's the first reverse (pre-1914) which often has fewer problems compared to the 1914-1921 reverse; the rim and teeth especially are different.
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I didn't know that, but it doesn't surprise me in the least. Paypal may be convenient but they're a lousy outfit who effectively abuse their decent customers with extremely poor customer service and now this. The conclusion has to be that you can't trust them to back you up in the event of a problem not of your making.
If there were some way round never using them, I'd take it.
Well you say that, but with regard specifically to 1913, the Britannia strike seems to be variable. My 174 is fully struck up, whereas my 177 has a poor breastplate. Both have good hair detail.
Strangely this die clash 1862 penny is on ebay right now, it must have been one hell of a clash , for as well as the folds on the gown the clear outline of Britanniars shield can be seen running round through Victoria's Ribbon ,so bad in fact that it seems to have cracked the die on the right side of the coin.
A year or two b4 the survey it was in the national press about the H and KN penny , judgeing on the presses power these days to practically cause circulating coinage to dissapear in an instant , I would expect that to be the reason
You’ll have a great time, take plenty of cash, as that is what most dealers will expect, and always haggle, at least 10% reduction on marked price is factored in by many. Set yourself some general targets in advance, don’t rush and don’t buy the first thing you see unless it really ticks all the boxes, you might find better on the next table! Dealers will often put things aside for a short time if you are seriously interested, but don’t take the p*ss. Do chat and ask questions, most though not all dealers are very happy to cultivate the interest of a newbie. Take a good loupe, and a reference book. You will find remarkably variable pricing structures.
Best tip arrive early , they can get very crowded
Yes indeed a die clash and I have seen the die-clash related spikes around the queen's neck, which resemble arrows from a pygmy's blowpipe. I raised this as interesting because the central fishtail of the 1860 penny could similarly be a consequence of another die clash, especially when the mainstream thought around this phenomenon is an incorrectly re-engraved die. It is for this reason that I deliberately picked-up a die-clash on the outer ribbon.
The first side is self explanatory, the second if it is a Baldwin ticket would list the people the coin had been offered to and may include the person from who it was acquired. I suspect FM43023 is the source from which it was acquired, but can't think of anyone or any sale it could refer to. 762 would then be the number of the Baldwin client to whom the coin was offered. But it's possible it was 762 the coin was acquired from and FM..... was something else like a stock number?
An interesting story on Paypal
Trying not to overcomplicate the matter, but in chinese there are two currently used alphabets depending of wich is used can in some cases affect pronunciation. I'm not proficient enough to know whether that applies in this case.
In Traditional Chinese its written 風水 and in Simplified Chinese 风水. I'm fairly sure that when written in Simplified, it's prononced Fung Schway and indeed when my office building in Singapore was renovated the officiant who carried out the blessing was introduced as The Fung Schway Man. (Pronounced as such)
I thought i'd drop in at the London Coin Fair in November. I've never been to one before and I think it will be a great opportunity for me to be able to see a load of coins and get ideas on prices and maybe glean some knowledge from a dealer or two.
As it's my first fair, I'm definitely going to be treating myself to something ... Any general advice on what to avoid, common newbie blunders etc? I know that it would depend largely on what my budget is, but just wondered if there was anything I should know or be aware of, as I have no idea what to expect!
Yes, I was comparing to my uncirculated 1913 penny; strike on Britannia is generally much better except for the head which is much stronger on the 1913 piece ?
Not sure how much wartime affected production standards on these though, no expert on the series.
Only on the coins, not in real life, obviously.
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