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£2.80 of bronze is a kilo, which would maybe get you No.1 or Heavy copper price, so around £5.40 ish.
How you would disguise the coins as just bronze /copper turnings etc. is another matter, as is the illegality....
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I thought that lots of American coin collectors hoarded the pre-1982 pennies for their copper, but I agree, surely not worth it in the long run.
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Proves the point perfectly Jon.
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Of course Richard, please feel free.
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I have picked this up at market and after some reflection decided I will never use it, so I will move it on.
"Devon Tavern Tokens" by Yolanda Stanton and Neil Todd, 1982 paperback. Printed as part of a series by Exeter Industrial Archaeology Group.
In Very good condition - handled but no tears, spine perfect, no writing inside. Includes a loose addendum of 7 pages identifying the illustrations. Has many black & white photos both of tokens and sometimes of the pubs they relate to.
£12 including UK 2nd class postage, first come first served.
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Ian, are you happy that I add these pics to my varieties website, crediting you ?
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Surely not Mike?
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123939606539?hash=item1cdb60500b:g:AhkAAOSwBLlVAWXk
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Thanks Ian. Even on my 1797's (10 & 11 leaves), there are noticeable ship differences - one having a much longer topsail, for example. I must say I think it takes great patience, dedication and obviously time to differentiate all the various ship types. But worthwhile as I'd bet a few would specialise in such a type collection, once known.
Talking about the 11th leaf, I have noticed how many are wrongly attributed as having 11 leaves, including mistakes by LCA. I honestly believe some just don't know what the difference is.
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........and here is the extra (11th) leaf in case weren't sure where to find it!!
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Sadly ‘yes’ Mike, I have definitely looked into 1797 ships.
I have owned and logged 40 different varieties of 1797 ships paired with 10-leaf obverses, and a further 7 different ships paired with the 11-leaf obverse.
I have taken digital microscope pictures, all to exactly the same scale (65x), for comparison. I have now sold all but 4 examples retained in my collection.
Apart from the number of gun port differences there are also many distinct differences in positioning of flag, bowsprit, platform, sails and rigging, also size of ships, roughness of sea and angle of ship in the sea.
I attach 8 examples to demonstrate some of the differences I found, reduced in size to meet the site 500Kb limit.
Hope this helps!
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It might be in contention for Best Line of the Year...
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I am pleased to award you 'Blakeyboy's Line of the Month'.
Not bad, seeing it's only just the 16th....
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Ian,
Have you - out of interest - ever attempted to find out the number of ship variations on the 1797 penny?
I understand there are possibly about 20 - maybe more.
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As you know, Ian, I started to work on this and soon gave up !
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You'll probably find there are more varieties and micro-varieties for 1858 than all the other copper series dates put together.
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I’m just sorting through a few Victorian pennies, with a view to thinning down the collection, and thought the following pictures may be of interest to variety collectors.
They show 6 slightly different 1853 3/3 repairs. Top left is the exact same coin pictured on MG’s website, which he calls Date Style C (?):-
1853 Copper penny 3 date styles (michael-coins.co.uk)
Bottom left is the closer DEF colon (Peck 1503). I have owned 12 examples of this type over the years, and noted that they always show exact the same obverse / reverse legend features…… indicating that the closer DEF colon is only found on a single die pairing.
The fact that I have 6 different 3/3’s, all with Date Style C (Plain 5), I think demonstrates the difficulty that would be encountered if one ever tried to re-catalogue all the minor sub-varieties that are found in this copper series.
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Much like many Ebay sellers.................
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your probably in the majority at the moment - personally i would rarther not mint any more and allow them a slow death
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Wow. I never knew he'd been a writer of Chinese fiction, for which he was apparently better known.
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I'd like to see the bronze coins disappear completely. The 1p is worth less in real terms than the 1/4d was when demonetised.
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I see that it sold within estimate, £110, so a nice result I think.👍
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Anyone noticed that the pre 1991 bronze in your pocket is becomeing scarcer and scarcer
Recent rises in the price of scrap bronze might even be making the withdrawal of these coins and their hoarding / melting a common ocurance.
While illegal it would be hard to prove it was happening .
There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow with these coins though , you might get a 50% premium at the moment and its a lot of messing around for little reward
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Quite by chance when searching for something else, I've found some old articles relating to Bramah, which some may find of interest.
Listener Article part 1
Listener Article part 2
Obituary (from 1942)
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